Jump to content

  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

PFF: best & worst vs Bills

top dawg

By top dawg,
in Carolina Panthers

 Share

Recommended Posts

mrcompletely11 Grand Master

mrcompletely11

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, stbugs said:

I’m coming to the realization that our coaches/GM/FO are truly bad at player evaluations. I means it’s one thing to grab Darnold after he gets released but to trading solid picks for him when we were the only interested party. SF “was” but had already traded for pick 3 before we made the trade.

We've got so much evidence that we aren’t very good at this.

Development seems to be an issue as well

  • Pie 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites
top dawg Grand Master

top dawg

Posted
  • Author
Posted
11 minutes ago, stbugs said:

I’m coming to the realization that our coaches/GM/FO are truly bad at player evaluations. I means it’s one thing to grab Darnold after he gets released but to trading solid picks for him when we were the only interested party. SF “was” but had already traded for pick 3 before we made the trade.

We've got so much evidence that we aren’t very good at this.

It's kinda time to let that go. There is an argument that acquiring Mayfield for a song and a dance made up for that. 

  • Pie 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites
kungfoodude Grand Master

kungfoodude

Posted
Posted
6 minutes ago, top dawg said:

It's kinda time to let that go. There is an argument that acquiring Mayfield for a song and a dance made up for that. 

I don't think adding Mayfield makes up for that. Winning games does. 

That's the situation we are in. It's easy to nitpick and snipe at all aspects of the franchise with four straight losing seasons. 

Winning fixes all that. People will very easily forget the sins of the past when high on current success.

  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
top dawg Grand Master

top dawg

Posted
  • Author
Posted
2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't think adding Mayfield makes up for that. Winning games does. 

That's the situation we are in. It's easy to nitpick and snipe at all aspects of the franchise with four straight losing seasons. 

Winning fixes all that. People will very easily forget the sins of the past when high on current success.

Winning cures all, for sure; But I'm compartmentalizing. The Darnold trade was about as bad of a gamble in FA for a potential franchise QB who had showed so little during his first three years as you'll likely ever see. The Baker trade was about as low-risk and high-reward that you'll probably ever see for a potential franchise QB in FA based upon his body of work. The respective value of each trade relative to what we paid based upon body of work tells a story unto itself (before the results even play out).

Link to comment
Share on other sites
kungfoodude Grand Master

kungfoodude

Posted
Posted
6 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Winning cures all, for sure; But I'm compartmentalizing. The Darnold trade was about as bad of a gamble in FA for a potential franchise QB who had showed so little during his first three years as you'll likely ever see. The Baker trade was about as low-risk and high-reward that you'll probably ever see for a potential franchise QB in FA based upon his body of work. The respective value of each trade relative to what we paid based upon body of work tells a story unto itself (before the results even play out).

Yeah, that Darnold fiasco was one of those decisions that will haunt you forever as a GM. One of the biggest fleecings I have seen in a long time.

I hope we stay away from the Mims trade based on that alone. God only knows what we might give up for him.

But, after 2022 Darnold will be gone forever and we will likely have a new GM with a fairly clean slate. Remember Gettleman getting crucified for the Kalil signing? That left once he left.

  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
top dawg Grand Master

top dawg

Posted
  • Author
Posted
2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, that Darnold fiasco was one of those decisions that will haunt you forever as a GM. One of the biggest fleecings I have seen in a long time.

I hope we stay away from the Mims trade based on that alone. God only knows what we might give up for him.

But, after 2022 Darnold will be gone forever and we will likely have a new GM with a fairly clean slate. Remember Gettleman getting crucified for the Kalil signing? That left once he left.

I think that there's a very high likelihood that even if Rhule goes, Fitterer stays. Sure, I could be wrong, but I'd bet that he stays. He's made some good signings this year.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
kungfoodude Grand Master

kungfoodude

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, top dawg said:

I think that there's a very high likelihood that even if Rhule goes, Fitterer stays. Sure, I could be wrong, but I'd bet that he stays. He's made some good signings this year.

Yeah, that's what I meant. Rhule is likely gone if he can't get at least a winning record in 2022. Remember that he is the actual GM. 

I have some misgivings about Fitterer but I am looking forward to seeing him in a traditional GM role. I hope we give him heavy input on Rhule's replacement and don't bring in another guy that we give GM control to again. I REALLY don't want to see that mistake repeated. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Pejorative Miscreant Grand Master

Pejorative Miscreant

Posted
Posted
1 hour ago, Wundrbread33 said:

I swear when I chose to focus on Mays, he was finishing blocks by burying his man in the dirt. 
 

Good timing I guess. 

Same here.  Overall I think Mays has the potential to develop into a good guard and a utility lineman if push comes to shove. Hope he isn’t called on to do too much and/or too soon.  
 

verdict out on Brown but I think he was more of a longer term project with potential upside to begin with 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
NAS Grand Master

NAS

Posted
Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, top dawg said:

Can't really be a bust if you were a day-three draft  project to begin with. He's a dissapointment, but that's simply because some were strongly rooting for the big fella. 

Was referring to Derrick, people were quick to call him a bust because wasn’t  not dominating every game in year 2 of his development 

Edited by NAS
  • Pie 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
 Share
Go to topic listing

  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • mrcompletely11
      Dan Morgan: Panthers will pickup BY’s 5th year.

      By mrcompletely11 · Posted

      we are not talking about the 5th we are talking about bryce being one of if not the worst starter in the nfl for the past 3 years.  Dont move the goalposts my man
    • XClown1986
      Dan Morgan: Panthers will pickup BY’s 5th year.

      By XClown1986 · Posted

      The issue is the position Bryce plays. Finding a good/great quarterback isn't easy. Plus, it sometimes takes years for these guys to actually become good/great. What you have to look for is progress instead of regression. Bryce has shown that. Can he put it all together? We don't know yet. But that's why you place a smaller bet with the 5th year option, and wait to see. You could be wrong and lose your 30 mil bet, but you didn't hitch your wagon long-term and lose much more.
    • woahfraze
      Dan Morgan: Panthers will pickup BY’s 5th year.

      By woahfraze · Posted

      Absolutely not. That’s too much for replacement level player. Bryce may be that. Or he may turn into something more. If you can’t see the flashes, you’re willfully blind. There’s more bad than good right now, but there’s less bad than there was earlier in his career. He’s only 24 and he’s showing signs of improvement. He may never become consistent enough to justify a long term contract, but he’s shown enough to roll the dice on what effectively will turn into a 2 year, $30MM contract for the next two years to see if he can earn something longer.    Sure, in his one season starting, Howell managed to throw for 3,946 yards and toss 21 TDs, but it took throwing the ball an astounding 612 times. He also threw 21 INTs (for a particularly egregious 3.4 INT%). For all the talk of him being a deep ball thrower, he still only averaged 6.4 YPA, with an average air yards of 5.6 yards per attempt. And for all the excuses of Washington’s line giving him no protection (65 sacks taken that year), he was only pressured on 22.7% of his dropbacks, which is a few percentage points lower than what Bryce has had to deal with each year (24.2, 26.7, and 24.0%).    These are all numbers that are at best roughly equivalent to Bryce’s production the past two years. It’s wild to me people can claim so confidently that he’s a better QB. 
×
×
  • Create New...