Really happy all those former panthers coaches and front office staff in Buffalo are doing well

[joemac]

2 hours ago, KillerKat said:

Rivera is just a bad head coach that stayed 5 to 6 years too long. There is a reason why he was passed over time and time again before we hired him. Without Cam and Luke, 2013 wouldve been his final year. Just look at Washington now that he has no one to bail him out. He truely disgusts me with how he ran this team and wasted so much potential.

I wouldn't say hes a BAD head coach.  You don't win NFL Coach of the Year 2 times by being a bad head coach.  He just wore out his welcome here, and hes got awful QB's in Washington.  Hes not a bad coach though. 

[joemac]

30 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

Yeah. I enjoyed the game. Buffalo looks really good. Especially their defensive front. 

As far as using your studs, that is what they are for. You don't pay them money to put the on the shelf no matter how capable the backups are. 

So are you in favor of giving CMC 30 touches every game then?

[Khaki Lackey]

41 minutes ago, KillerKat said:

Rivera and Fox are about the same, but If I had to choose between those two, I would probably go Fox because he at least gave a damn about the oline. 

Playing not to lose gets you .500 Both of them are content being .500 coaches.

[pantherclaw]

21 minutes ago, joemac said:

So are you in favor of giving CMC 30 touches every game then?

I'm totally in favor of playing our best players. Absolutely.  Especially ones whom make an impact just being on the field.  We're not paying him to sit on the sideline. 

Any coach that is willing to sit their stud players should be shot. 

Edited September 9, 2022 by pantherclaw

[RumHam]

We were Buffalo Beta in 2015. This was the true potential with the Bills dynasty now. Good yet sad to see. Ron and the personnel decisions. Imagine if we had just let Hurney fuging leave and kept Beane. 

[pantherclaw]

There is ZERO evidence that limiting a RBNto 15 touches a game will extend his career. We're also not trying to find way to extend his career. We're trying to win. 

Injuries happen no.matter how you coddle them. 

 

If they are able to play, you play them.

[1of10Charnatives]

1 hour ago, Wundrbread33 said:

I get and respect your opinion too though. 

Let's not have any of this sort of thing.

This is the Huddle after all.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

There is ZERO evidence that limiting a RBNto 15 touches a game will extend his career. We're also not trying to find way to extend his career. We're trying to win. 

Injuries happen no.matter how you coddle them. 

If they are able to play, you play them.

Actually there's plenty. It's why you hear coaches talk about "load management".

Rhule and Fitterer have both said it's a goal of theirs not to overuse McCaffrey this season.

[pantherclaw]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Actually there's plenty. It's why you hear coaches talk about "load management".

Rhule and Fitterer have both said it's a goal of theirs not to overuse McCaffrey this season.

Yes, their going to.manage to play them more than you or anybody else wants them to, and you'll still pass and moan. 

Once again, there is zero evidence it extends a career. They could just as easily get hurt on less touches. You don't pay CMC to limit him 15 touches a game, and you will never see it. 

[pantherclaw]

They manage his load by not playing him in preseason. 

[Khyber53]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Actually there's plenty. It's why you hear coaches talk about "load management".

Rhule and Fitterer have both said it's a goal of theirs not to overuse McCaffrey this season.

And here's where I think they are wrong. You can't take a star player out while the game is still on the line. Sure, if you're up by 30 in the fourth quarter, sit your guys, ease up on the throttle, but if the game is still anywhere in doubt you keep your best players on the field and keep using them.

There are only 17 games in the regular season, each one of them matters if you are trying to be a winning team. This isn't the NBA or MLB where there are so many games that no one of them really matters. In those sports you can keep a guy on a pitch count or get a breather 3rd quarter break and see a tactical advantage over the course of a season. In the NFL, you can't do that until you have won your division and the top seed for the playoffs without putting yourself in peril.

Around here, we like to talk about how Cam was run into the ground, but without Cam breaking run after run downfield, we don't make it to the Super Bowl in 2015. He had to do that to compete at that high of a level, we just were not going to win purely on his passing arm (particularly with that receiving corps and o-line we had). 

Can't do it with CMC here, injury history or not. Underutilize him and the next coach will correct that problem. Playing to avoid injuries leads to losing and can often lead to injuries (if you play soft in this league the opponents will see it and exploit that weakness -- as did Thomas Davis every time he could get a shot on Jimmy Graham).

Great football players are like bags of bottle rockets, you've got to light that fuse every game and let them do their thing. One day you'll reach into the bag and it will be empty... it's an inevitability. Just like there will be another new bag of rockets down the line.

We love our star players, but they can't be mint, new-in-box and remain as star players.

[frankw]

27 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Actually there's plenty. It's why you hear coaches talk about "load management".

Rhule and Fitterer have both said it's a goal of theirs not to overuse McCaffrey this season.

Yeah idk what he's going on about. In 2020 Henry led the league in touches per game and he got banged up and missed games. In 2019 CMC led the league in touches then proceeded to be on pace to do so again the last two seasons and has missed multiple games along the way. Looking at the list of last years leaders in RB touches several of them have dealt with their own injuries.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-touches-by-rb-2021

Edited September 9, 2022 by frankw

[pantherclaw]

26 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Rhule and Fitterer have both said it's a goal of theirs not to overuse McCaffrey this season.

They both said it's difficult to pull a player when he is the best on the field, and he wants to play. 

Every coach we've had has said their going to manage his work load, and it's nothing but lip service.  And here you are preaching it like it's actually gonna happen this time.

[frankw]

12 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

And here's where I think they are wrong. You can't take a star player out while the game is still on the line. Sure, if you're up by 30 in the fourth quarter, sit your guys, ease up on the throttle, but if the game is still anywhere in doubt you keep your best players on the field and keep using them.

There are only 17 games in the regular season, each one of them matters if you are trying to be a winning team. This isn't the NBA or MLB where there are so many games that no one of them really matters. In those sports you can keep a guy on a pitch count or get a breather 3rd quarter break and see a tactical advantage over the course of a season. In the NFL, you can't do that until you have won your division and the top seed for the playoffs without putting yourself in peril.

Around here, we like to talk about how Cam was run into the ground, but without Cam breaking run after run downfield, we don't make it to the Super Bowl in 2015. He had to do that to compete at that high of a level, we just were not going to win purely on his passing arm (particularly with that receiving corps and o-line we had). 

Can't do it with CMC here, injury history or not. Underutilize him and the next coach will correct that problem. Playing to avoid injuries leads to losing and can often lead to injuries (if you play soft in this league the opponents will see it and exploit that weakness -- as did Thomas Davis every time he could get a shot on Jimmy Graham).

Great football players are like bags of bottle rockets, you've got to light that fuse every game and let them do their thing. One day you'll reach into the bag and it will be empty... it's an inevitability. Just like there will be another new bag of rockets down the line.

We love our star players, but they can't be mint, new-in-box and remain as star players.

Everyone knows CMC is a great piece to have. But we are the Carolina Panthers not the Carolina McCaffrey's. A good coaching staff can implement gameplans to both exploit mismatches with CMC and open up opportunities for other playmakers at various points within games. This offense really needs versatility not more of the same square peg round hole philosophy.