Updated Cap for 2023 after the CMC trade……

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, Krovvy said:

Is this real 'cap hell' or is that not a term we use anymore? Imagine if we didn't trade Christian.

It’s nowhere near as bad as the 2013 cap hell. 

[ForJimmy]

We are taking it on the chin this year so we can hopefully do it the right way.  The clearing money for Watson plus dumb contracts screwed us up.  Might as well take it in one lump in the year you are developing a rookie QB with a new HC.

[Krovvy]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

It’s nowhere near as bad as the 2013 cap hell. 

In 2013 we had elite players throughout the roster and were winning.

The only reason this will be easier to get out of is because we don't have a quarterback to pay, and we can dump a lot of dead weight easily as we're not trying to win.

[poundaway]

9 minutes ago, Seltzer said:

When you've reached this level of rock bottom, where else can it go? 

 

Oh you think this is the bottom?  Sure.  Lets go with that. 

Rhule's chosen GM and Tepper are going to get next years HC right and nail the draft. 

[Seltzer]

3 minutes ago, Krovvy said:

In 2013 we had elite players throughout the roster and were winning.

The only reason this will be easier to get out of is because we don't have a quarterback to pay, and we can dump a lot of dead weight easily as we're not trying to win.

Ummm... we don't have Cam and that is certainly huge...

But... the current secondary and Oline are far superior than that 2013 team.  The 2013 team had a better Front 7 overall, but Burns, Brown, and Luvu to go along with Horn & Chinn make it a wash for me

This roster overall has as much if not more overall talent than 2013.  QB & HC make a massive difference

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, Krovvy said:

In 2013 we had elite players throughout the roster and were winning.

The only reason this will be easier to get out of is because we don't have a quarterback to pay, and we can dump a lot of dead weight easily as we're not trying to win.

  2013 had numerous restructuring just to pay who they had. All those same elite players led to 7-9, 6-10, 2-14 before that. Putting actual talent around them for the bare minimum was the start to winning. 

   

   

[neverlosethefeeling]

We have $115 mil in cap space in 2024 and almost $300 mil in 2025. I think we will be fine. 

[Harbingers]

27 minutes ago, pantherj said:

I don't want Fitt restructuring anyone, but you know it's coming.

I doubt it. I don’t think there is a single safe player on this team. Zero. If we give CMC for a random assortment of mid round picks. We are burning it to the ground. 

[Krovvy]

8 minutes ago, Seltzer said:

Ummm... we don't have Cam and that is certainly huge...

But... the current secondary and Oline are far superior than that 2013 team.  The 2013 team had a better Front 7 overall, but Burns, Brown, and Luvu to go along with Horn & Chinn make it a wash for me

This roster overall has as much if not more overall talent than 2013.  QB & HC make a massive difference

We have a young secondary, and a more balanced offensive line, sure.

In 2013 we had Cam, Luke, Davis, Olsen, Kalil, Gross, Smith, Johnson, Star, Hardy, Addison, Beason, Williams, Stewart, and a ton of good to great roster fillers like Tedd Ginn or Wharton.

Guys, we're the worst team in the league, with one of the worst cap situations. I don't think there's any reason to try and spin it. We had to little cap room, and draft capital being the 32nd ranked team that we had to trade two players to get back into the black. We're just now correcting the deficit, it's not much of a gain.

Edited October 21, 2022 by Krovvy

[Jay Roosevelt]

I'm pretty sure just cutting Shaq would clear up like $12M.

[WarPanthers89]

Shaqs contract: 11 million dead cap and 13 million savings if cut 

[Krovvy]

4 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  2013 had numerous restructuring just to pay who they had. All those same elite players led to 7-9, 6-10, 2-14 before that. Putting actual talent around them for the bare minimum was the start to winning. 

   

   

It was more player development than anything. We had guys like Greg Hardy, and Josh Norman come out of nowhere, and had picks on the interior defensive line that finally developed. The biggest problem in 2011-12 was the defense. The biggest problem in 2014 was the offense, when Gettleman gutted the offensive line, and receivers in the same off-season.

[Toomers]

5 minutes ago, Krovvy said:

It was more player development than anything. We had guys like Greg Hardy, and Josh Norman come out of nowhere, and had picks on the interior defensive line that finally developed. The biggest problem in 2011-12 was the defense. The biggest problem in 2014 was the offense, when Gettleman gutted the offensive line, and receivers in the same off-season.

Josh Norman rode the bench in 2013. The only thing Beason did was leave a 13M dead cap hit after being traded to the NYG for a 7th. Stewart had 180 yds that year with a huge contract. The picks on the iDL were rookies. How did they develop…finally? 
 

  

[Krovvy]

2 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Josh Norman rode the bench in 2013. The only thing Beason did was leave a 13M dead cap hit after being traded to the NYG for a 7th. Stewart had 180 yds that year with a huge contract. The picks on the iDL were rookies. How did they develop…finally? 
 

  

Oh, we're fixated on just on 2013 now. I thought we were talking about the early 'cap hell' years.

It doesn't really matter anyway. This is inarguably the worst stretch of years in the history Panthers football. We're not doing the up and down seesaw anymore; we're stuck with perpetually losing. This team still doesn't have a quarterback and doesn't have established leaders throughout the roster like those teams had.

We have a few good, maybe great young players, and that's it. We don't have a Cam, Luke young combo that's going to carry the load until we draft them.