The NFL is Rigged

[Zaximus]

2 minutes ago, Mage said:

The funniest thing about "sports is rigged" is that if you don't agree it is rigged, it is you who is made out to be the delusional one lol 

You can keep using the word rigged but only people like you are focusing on that.  Influence is the best term and it doesn't always work.  Also commercials watched for Super Bowl, specific to DURING game or numbers of ads watched leading up to it that are marked "for Super Bowl".  I'm not saying people aren't watching the Super Bowl for commercials at all, just less than 20 years (not on a pure numbers standpoint but percentage I'd say).   But it only pushes the point home that a face like Mahomes who has a commercial at every NFL ad break is someone the NFL wants in big games.  Brady is almost gone, they lost Manning a while ago, and Mahomes is now the face of the NFL.

Edited January 30, 2023 by Zaximus

[Toomers]

Just now, CRA said:

They have 2 weeks of storytelling ahead.    That's what they do. 

and yeah, my wife would love to hear about mama Kelce and seeing her and his split homemade jersey and all that bullshit.   That's frankly the only thing she would be interested.   Not the game.   She heard about Joe Burrow last year. 

NFL doesn't' give a poo what the hardcore Panther fans preference is.  You watch the NFL regardless.  You were watching last night. 

Sports have always been influenced by the powers that be.  It's about money.   That's why we have the NFL. 

So because your wife heard of Kelce, from you, that proves the NFL is rigged? And is she listening to his podcast or watching the game? Is the NFL rigging games for podcast clicks? What storyline is going to make a person who isn’t watching the game as of today, suddenly want to watch? And why not last year if it is this year? 
 

  Fans have complained about the “fix” for my entire life. Yet not one shred of proof in my 52 years. I’m sure every person ever involved in this rigging has kept silent. 

[Mage]

3 minutes ago, Zaximus said:

You can keep using the word rigged but only people like you are focusing on that.  

The thread is literally titled "The NFL is Rigged" LMFAO but yes "only people like me" are focused on that.
 

You are the one who responded to me first, not the other way around.  My post was talking about the NFL not being rigged.  You responded as if you didn't agree.  So I'm gonna assume you also think the NFL is rigged.  If you don't think it is rigged, then just say that and we can go on our way.

Edited January 30, 2023 by Mage

[Zaximus]

2 minutes ago, Toomers said:

So because your wife heard of Kelce, from you, that proves the NFL is rigged? And is she listening to his podcast or watching the game? Is the NFL rigging games for podcast clicks? What storyline is going to make a person who isn’t watching the game as of today, suddenly want to watch? And why not last year if it is this year? 
 

  Fans have complained about the “fix” for my entire life. Yet not one shred of proof in my 52 years. I’m sure every person ever involved in this rigging has kept silent. 

I don't know, for proof, maybe the reports of 20+ missed calls in the Panther/Denver SB that went Denver's way?  The late hits in that game on Cam, helmet to helmets, battled fumble, etc?  I think that is the game where it was pretty obvious something was up.  Then just watch around the league.  If it isn't influenced, then the league is OK with bad refs year to year and muddied rules, for some reason, which also makes the game product pretty terrible.

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, Zaximus said:

You can keep using the word rigged but only people like you are focusing on that.  Influence is the best term and it doesn't always work.  Also commercials watched for Super Bowl, specific to DURING game or numbers of ads watched leading up to it that are marked "for Super Bowl".  I'm not saying people aren't watching the Super Bowl for commercials at all, just less than 20 years (not on a pure numbers standpoint but percentage I'd say).   But it only pushes the point home that a face like Mahomes who has a commercial at every NFL ad break is someone the NFL wants in big games.  Brady is almost gone, they lost Manning a while ago, and Mahomes is now the face of the NFL.

Influencing is rigging. Doing something intentionally, for a certain outcome, is rigging. 
 

I guess Mahomes wasn’t “face” enough last year when they let a 2nd year QB take his place. Were they “viewers” absent then? 

[Zaximus]

1 minute ago, Mage said:

The thread is literally titled "The NFL is Rigged" LMFAO but yes "only people like me" are focused on that.
 

You are the one who responded to me first, not the other way around.  My post was talking about the NFL not being rigged.  You responded as if you didn't agree.  So I'm gonna assume you also think the NFL is rigged.  If you don't think it is rigged, then just say that and we can go on our way.

Well for the 10th time, I think it is heavily influenced by the head ref.  I think rigged would include a broader range of folks which I don't really think is happening because too many things could leak.  These things really became apparent around the time Goodell took over and maybe shortly before.  The NFL was not like this in the 90's or before.  

[Zaximus]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

Influencing is rigging. Doing something intentionally, for a certain outcome, is rigging. 
 

I guess Mahomes wasn’t “face” enough last year when they let a 2nd year QB take his place. Were they “viewers” absent then? 

Try reading.  I said I do not believe influencing always works.  I think they are good at it, but I do believe a team can still win despite that, it is just much harder to do obviously.  But the NFL also really likes Burrow aka "Joe Cool" and they need more than one face.

[hepcat]

The referees 100% nudge games in the direction they want. It’s a proven fact.

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, Zaximus said:

Well for the 10th time, I think it is heavily influenced by the head ref.  I think rigged would include a broader range of folks which I don't really think is happening because too many things could leak.  These things really became apparent around the time Goodell took over and maybe shortly before.  The NFL was not like this in the 90's or before.  

So what would be an example of influencing and rigging? Where is that line? 

[CRA]

11 minutes ago, Toomers said:

So because your wife heard of Kelce, from you, that proves the NFL is rigged? And is she listening to his podcast or watching the game? Is the NFL rigging games for podcast clicks? What storyline is going to make a person who isn’t watching the game as of today, suddenly want to watch? And why not last year if it is this year? 
 

  Fans have complained about the “fix” for my entire life. Yet not one shred of proof in my 52 years. I’m sure every person ever involved in this rigging has kept silent. 

I said sports is influenced.   I don't use the word rigged.   Influencing doesn't guarantee outcomes.  And yeah, sports in general has been influenced for a long time.  Not just football. 

No proof of what? There certainly is proof professional sports has been influenced by actors aiming to alter the outcome.  

I mean, it is pretty well documented that every season.......millions watch the Super Bowl all over the globe that haven't been watching games this season.   And it's not just commercials, especially in 2023 that are drawing them in.    The Super Bowl isn't for the hardcore fan.  It's an annual event and they get ears and eyeballs at their disposal they normally don't have paying attention.  And they want to make money of those.   So yeah, they probably give a poo more about my wife than me.  Because my intake of sports content is consistent.  Hers isn't. 

 

[Zaximus]

Just now, Toomers said:

So what would be an example of influencing and rigging? Where is that line? 

Read the post you quoted.

[Cullenator]

3 minutes ago, Zaximus said:

I don't know, for proof, maybe the reports of 20+ missed calls in the Panther/Denver SB that went Denver's way?  The late hits in that game on Cam, helmet to helmets, battled fumble, etc?  I think that is the game where it was pretty obvious something was up.  Then just watch around the league.  If it isn't influenced, then the league is OK with bad refs year to year and muddied rules, for some reason, which also makes the game product pretty terrible.

You wanna know who rigged that game in favor of the Broncos?  Our coaching staff.  The guys who didnt think it would be a good idea to do anything different from what they had been doing for the previous 20 weeks.

[Tr3ach]

10 hours ago, onmyown said:

 

There is absolutely zero theory or equation that predicts incompetence. It’s random.

Look, I love some evidence. Just some. I’m willing to listen. Do you guys have say the top 30-40 bad calls in high stake games in recent times that you can reasonable formulate (with numbers/stats) in even just a logical projection as to how the NFL benefitted in forming a conspiracy to make it play out? 

Because otherwise, like ever other fanbase, bad calls are rigged. Everyone thinks it. Look at their forums. If it was so glaring as some of you say, should be easy to prove.

If it were up to me there’s be refs in a booth watching replays calling plays, but only a couple. Chip in the ball and helmets and a laser grid field. Maybe in the future. For now we still have 70 year olds calling the shots.

I get what you're saying but there is no way the NFL could fully rig games.  Too many people would have to be in on it.  What they could easily do is help push teams.  Officiate one team a little tighter.  Look at tape and figure out what teams are more likely to do that might could be flagged and potentially throw those flags more.  As far as the second part of your post they have sky cam technology already and they should be using it heavily during the entire game to help with calls.

[Zaximus]

Just now, Cullenator said:

You wanna know who rigged that game in favor of the Broncos?  Our coaching staff.  The guys who didnt think it would be a good idea to do anything different from what they had been doing for the previous 20 weeks.

I am not saying they aren't to blame.  But they didn't commit late hits and helmet to helmets that were not called in a year where QB safety was prio #1.  They didn't bat a fumble that wasn't called.  I'm not going to say Rivera and them did a great job ever but they can't do anything to hold a ref from throwing a flag.