DARNOLD

[stratocatter]

Son, he was NEVER going to beat out Mayfield in camp. It was not going to be allowed.  Edit: and we all saw Mayfield. Suck city. 

Edited March 10, 2023 by stratocatter

[CRA]

17 hours ago, stratocatter said:

You have some kind of syndrome. 

Try the same standards you are putting on this Darnold with the rest of the quarterbacks we have had the last 20 years and see how that works out.

The people saying Sam Darnold is bad.....aren't claiming all the other QBs over the last 20 years weren't bad though.   Sam is being held to the same standards.   

You can't even put Sam Darnold ahead of the Matt Moore's.  Sam Darnold is not a good NFL QB. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

12 minutes ago, frankw said:

Let me help you.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DarnSa00.htm

He couldn't beat out Mayfield in camp and he had the lowest completion percentage since his rookie year.

Some of you just can't help but make excuses for the worst QB's in our history

Not a defense of Darnold at all, but stats are deceiving. T2G has a higher career completion % than Cam. Which one is the better QB? You have to look at the whole body of work. His decision making got better at the end of the year. He did what he was asked to do. Do I want him as my starting QB? Nope. 

 

[stratocatter]

Oh I could put him on a par with Moore. Say what you will. Don’t care. 
People do not want to admit that Darnold got better. 
I am just wishing people would be honest instead of clinging to what I see as the need to be right meaning they made statements here they don’t want to take back. Is that you? I don’t know what statements you have made but it seems you are invested in the Darnold is trash narrative. 
At least be honest about what you are seeing. He did play better in 2022. He did show potential. He is as young as some guys people want us to draft. If you believe Greg Olsen, see what he had to say about Darnold in games he called.  
I was against the acquisition to start with and 100% against picking up the option so if you want to call me a Darnold fanboy fine go ahead but it it is wrong. I am pretty impartial. Throwing him out, is a worse mistake than tossing Corral. Though he is not under contract and Corral, is. So I guess it isn’t the same thing. But you guys that think Darnold could not win with a decent team around him, I disagree. 

[TLGPanthersFan]

1 minute ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Not a defense of Darnold at all, but stats are deceiving. T2G has a higher career completion % than Cam. Which one is the better QB? You have to look at the whole body of work. His decision making got better at the end of the year. He did what he was asked to do. Do I want him as my starting QB? Nope. 

 

Less his decision making was getting better and more the coaching staff knew what QB they had and wouldn't let him do anymore than the basics because if he did more he'd have a bunch of turnovers.

 

[CRA]

1 minute ago, stratocatter said:

Oh I could put him on a par with Moore. Say what you will. Don’t care. 
People do not want to admit that Darnold got better. 
I am just wishing people would be honest instead of clinging to what I see as the need to be right meaning they made statements here they don’t want to take back. Is that you? I don’t know what statements you have made but it seems you are invested in the Darnold is trash narrative. 
At least be honest about what you are seeing. He did play better in 2022. He did show potential. He is as young as some guys people want us to draft. If you believe Greg Olsen, see what he had to say about Darnold in games he called.  
I was against the acquisition to start with and 100% against picking up the option so if you want to call me a Darnold fanboy fine go ahead but it it is wrong. I am pretty impartial. Throwing him out, is a worse mistake than tossing Corral. Though he is not under contract and Corral, is. So I guess it isn’t the same thing. But you guys that think Darnold could not win with a decent team around him, I disagree. 

I said you can't put him ahead of QBs like Matt Moore.  Which you can't. 

At best, you might could argue Sam Darnold is on par w/ the Matt Moore's of the world.    Which even that involves you throwing all stats out the window.  Because Matt Moore edges him out in basically every statistical category. 

Is anyone up in arms when we say Matt Moore is one of the sucky old QBs we have had to play over the last 20 years? Nope.  

[amcoolio]

Good (or even average) quarterbacks don't have this statline

5-of-15 passes for 43 yards with two interceptions and a 2.8 passer rating

In a dome game, and this was the last time we saw him.

 

NO

[frankw]

Sam Darnold cannot hold Matt Moore's jock. I'd even argue Kyle Allen looked better than him albeit brief.

[SmokinwithWilly]

8 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

Less his decision making was getting better and more the coaching staff knew what QB they had and wouldn't let him do anymore than the basics because if he did more he'd have a bunch of turnovers.

 

I get what you're saying. I was just pointing out stats can be deceiving and you need to actually look at the game to get the entire picture. Still don't want him as my starting QB though. 

[frankw]

13 minutes ago, stratocatter said:

Oh I could put him on a par with Moore. Say what you will. Don’t care. 
People do not want to admit that Darnold got better. 
I am just wishing people would be honest instead of clinging to what I see as the need to be right meaning they made statements here they don’t want to take back. Is that you? I don’t know what statements you have made but it seems you are invested in the Darnold is trash narrative. 
At least be honest about what you are seeing. He did play better in 2022. He did show potential. He is as young as some guys people want us to draft. If you believe Greg Olsen, see what he had to say about Darnold in games he called.  
I was against the acquisition to start with and 100% against picking up the option so if you want to call me a Darnold fanboy fine go ahead but it it is wrong. I am pretty impartial. Throwing him out, is a worse mistake than tossing Corral. Though he is not under contract and Corral, is. So I guess it isn’t the same thing. But you guys that think Darnold could not win with a decent team around him, I disagree. 

[Sgt Schultz]

The problem with Darnold is he looked better in a scheme designed to minimize the damage the QB could do.  That is not all on him, the QB room when Wilks took over and we started running the ball was Darnold, Walker, and Mayfield.  Who could blame them for emphasizing the run first, second, and third?

Pickles might have looked good in that offensive scheme........Well, maybe not, but you get the idea.

Let's face it: Darnold is just the latest in a line of a rather dismal QB history.  Remove Cam and Jake and the last 20 years are not exactly a who's who.  Is he the worst?  No, Pickle's 3:9 TD to interception ratio is pretty hard to beat by mere mortals.

[CRA]

Sam Darnold getting better. 

2nd worst QB comp % of his career

2nd lowest passing yards per game 

highest fumble rate of his career per game. 

[Sgt Schultz]

46 minutes ago, CRA said:

Sam Darnold getting better. 

2nd worst QB comp % of his career

2nd lowest passing yards per game 

highest fumble rate of his career per game. 

Wait, are you including the New Orleans game in that?  Because I read on this here board that you can't count that game because everybody was going through the motions.  And when you pull that game out, his numbers prove he is decent.

Of course, the Saints were not exactly showing the initiative of the 75 Steelers or 89 Niners in that game, either, but that does not count I guess.

In other words, when you remove the data from the bad performances, what you are left with is decent numbers. 

I swear, people are going to hurt themselves trying to come up with creative ways to show Darnold is not what the five years' worth of data and scouting say he is.

I don't wish Darnold any ill will.  I'm fine with him catching on somewhere.......somewhere else.  I just don't see what he brings to the current table, other than he knows what the layout of the locker room, what color or uniforms are, and where the practice facility is.  Different offense, different coaches, and he is not under contract so we don't lose a dime not having him around. 

I certainly don't want him trying to mentor young QBs.  What's he going to say, watch what I do under pressure and do the opposite?

It's no wonder we are the Southeastern HQ for the Home for Wayward Quarterbacks.  In some demented sense, we like it that way.

[stratocatter]

Yeah I guess I was triggered. By the hate.
The irrational judgement that works like: our coaching staff is So Great. They can coach up any QB … as long as it is one we trade all our picks for. Only those quarterbacks though 

Talk about another and the coaching means poo. We have posters making up that Darnold doesn’t care about getting better because….. he didn’t change his routine? It is ridiculous. Just, anything to demean the guy and anyone that says they see something in him right along with him. 

And Gase, Peyton Manning? Whoever threw it up that Gase was good because….. well who do you really think ran that show? Go ahead, say Peyton Manning at that point was successful because of Gase.  It will make you feel better.