If we ❤️ a QB, we will be aggressive

[Bear Hands]

4 minutes ago, Soul Rebel said:

Truthfully, our #39 pick this year is more important to me than the '25 FRP in a package to move up to 1. If we can send the SF 2nd rounder, I'm fine with '24 FRP + '25 FRP to move up for Stroud. 

Tampa is picking 19th overall with an 8-9 record. We should be at the very least, NFCS Champs and a 9-8 record next year. In 2025, one would assume better....that pick should be early-mid 20s. No guarantees with draft picks in this area....at least not like in the top-10 nor a franchise QB. 

We need a top-flight TE at 39. Send the two future firsts, #9 and #60. Draft Stroud. Take the best TE at 39 and figure the rest out in the third round and FA. Re-sign Boze & Foreman - sign Rapp/JJIII and find a DL.

 That would be my goal if I'm Fitt.  You either preserve #39 or 2024's 1st. I'd love to keep one of those two if we trade up somehow.  

Moving to 1, it's gonna be near impossible to do the latter (2024 1st).

If we're talking to AZ -- Pick 9, 61, 2025 1st, 2024 2nd -- Could that do it?

CHI at 1: 9, 61, 2024 1st, 2025 1st but then I'd ask for one of their 4ths in return this year so we preserve a mid-rounder..or maybe a mid-rounder in 2024? 

End up with 1-1, 39, 3rd, then we get (3) 4ths.  That still allows us to add weapons.  

 

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, Bear Hands said:

 That would be my goal if I'm Fitt.  You either preserve #39 or 2024's 1st. I'd love to keep one of those two if we trade up somehow.  

Moving to 1, it's gonna be near impossible to do the latter (2024 1st).

If we're talking to AZ -- Pick 9, 61, 2025 1st, 2024 2nd -- Could that do it?

CHI at 1: 9, 61, 2024 1st, 2025 1st but then I'd ask for one of their 4ths in return this year so we preserve a mid-rounder..or maybe a mid-rounder in 2024? 

End up with 1-1, 39, 3rd, then we get (3) 4ths.  That still allows us to add weapons.  

 

If we are going to 3 might as well do 1 and get who you really want

[pantherclaw]

Stroud at the first pick, expectations, are going to disappoint a lot of people.  

Edited March 5, 2023 by pantherclaw

[top dawg]

54 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

Stroud at the first pick, expectations, are going to disappoint a lot of people.  

Yesterday, it was Richardson. Today, it's Stroud. The other day, it was Young. 

If we move to one, my money is still on Young, and it really has little to do with the Combine.

[mrcompletely11]

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

Yesterday, it was Richardson. Today, it's Stroud. The other day, it was Young. 

If we move to one, my money is still on Young, and it really has little to do with the Combine.

what in the timeline suggest its young?  He didnt do poo yesterday

[top dawg]

3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

what in the timeline suggest its young?  He didnt do poo yesterday

Did you not here Fitterer say Young is bigger in person than he expected? Reich was so complimentary of Young that Scot (though incorrectly) said that Reich had only showed interest in Carr and Young. 

As for not doing poo yesterday, well...that's kind of what happens when you put yourself in position with excellent play---tape! You don't have to do poo because EVERYONE already knows that you have the mental capacity and skill to play the game (because you did it). The ONLY question about Young today, yesterday, the other day, and many days before that, is whether he's too small to last in the NFL. Some obviously believe it to be true, and some obviously don't.

[mrcompletely11]

7 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Did you not here Fitterer say Young is bigger in person than he expected? Reich was so complimentary of Young that Scot (though incorrectly) said that Reich had only showed interest in Carr and Young. 

As for not doing poo yesterday, well...that's kind of what happens when you put yourself in position with excellent play---tape! You don't have to do poo because EVERYONE already knows that you have the mental capacity and skill to play the game (because you did it). The ONLY question about Young today, yesterday, the other day, and many days before that, is whether he's too small to last in the NFL. Some obviously believe it to be true, and some obviously don't.

Hes not bigger then expected he is 5'10 190ish pounds.  What were they thinking he was going to be an ommpa loompa?  After strouds throwing and now this report its not rocket science as to whats going on here

[top dawg]

30 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Hes not bigger then expected he is 5'10 190ish pounds.  What were they thinking he was going to be an ommpa loompa?  After strouds throwing and now this report its not rocket science as to whats going on here

We'll see. 204 is a long cry from 190. It really is, especially if it's muscle. 

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, top dawg said:

We'll see. 204 is a long cry from 190. It really is, especially if it's muscle. 

lol if it was muscle he wouldnt be hiding under a hoody when the other guys were in skin tight tank tops.   He had 2 months to get bigger and all he could do was 204.  I mean damn his listed weight was 194 and that was a farce.   If the panthers move up its for stroud.  I would bet anything considering the timing.  I seriously doubt him weighing 204 at a sham weigh in prompted the front office to go into trade mode

[Varking]

43 minutes ago, top dawg said:

We'll see. 204 is a long cry from 190. It really is, especially if it's muscle. 

I think his playing weight is much lower than 204. 

[heel31ok]

18 hours ago, Tarheel119 said:

Who would folks think we take with pick #1?

Anderson

[top dawg]

2 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

lol if it was muscle he wouldnt be hiding under a hoody when the other guys were in skin tight tank tops.   He had 2 months to get bigger and all he could do was 204.  I mean damn his listed weight was 194 and that was a farce.   If the panthers move up its for stroud.  I would bet anything considering the timing.  I seriously doubt him weighing 204 at a sham weigh in prompted the front office to go into trade mode

My son is really studying the science of muscle/body building, and he would probably tell you that 10 pounds of lean muscle building in two months  is simply unrealistic. 

Whatever Young's playing weight is is his playing weight. I'm certainly not going to lose sleep over it. No one knows what's going to happen with his career, but I will tell you this: if all of these execs and coaches believe in him enough to pick him, I'm going to have faith that he can do the job. 

[Soul Rebel]

20 hours ago, Varking said:

I think his playing weight is much lower than 204. 

Absolutely is a combo of fluids, carbs, not going to the bathroom and muscle. I think on any given gameday, he comes in around 195. Maybe by year two or three he can be a legit 200-204 playing weight. 

I think this is part of the reason he didn't throw/participate in drills. 

[LinvilleGorge]

On 3/4/2023 at 7:50 PM, CmC2k said:

We need to execute a trade into the top 3 as soon as possible. Don't wait for the offseason QB carousel to unfold or risk the chance that another team gets aggressive and outbids you. Go ahead and lock in your plan to get one of the top 3 guys so you can go into free agency and the rest of the offseason with peace of mind and start to put together a development plan in place for the rookie QB. 

If you're sitting at #3, that's still two chances for your guy to be drafted. Better be a situation where you'd be thrilled to have any of the top 3 at #3 and I just don't know how good the chances are if that being the case.