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QB breakdowns by Josh McCown

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39 minutes ago, Wolfcop said:

That back shoulder throw CJ made falling backwards off 1 foot was amazing. 

Glad Kurt also showed examples of him making multiple reads, and moving the safeties off in the endzone was a pro move as well. Also the narrative that his WR's are constantly open is bs, he constantly makes throws in super tight coverage

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On 4/3/2023 at 2:02 PM, gmonjimbo said:

To provide some context - entering the National Championship game against Georgia John Metchie, Alabama's second leading receiver tore his ACL in the SEC championship game. Then their leading receiver, Jameson Williams tore his ACL on the opening drive of the second quarter against Georgia in the National championship game. At that point the game was tied 3-3 Williams had four catches for 65 yards and in the previous matchup against Georgia, Williams had 7 receptions 184 yards and 2 TDs. 

It's not to make an excuse for him but to give context heading into and during national title game

I hear ya'...On the other hand, CJ had a depleted and ineffective running game heading into the Peach Bowl. Lost his best TE Stover in the first half. Then lost Marvin Harrison Jr in the second half. Yet,still...

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5 hours ago, 96Bravo said:

I hear ya'...On the other hand, CJ had a depleted and ineffective running game heading into the Peach Bowl. Lost his best TE Stover in the first half. Then lost Marvin Harrison Jr in the second half. Yet,still...

JSN missed that game as well as most of the season also. He still got them in range for the game winning FG (granted it was a long one for a college kicker).

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5 hours ago, 96Bravo said:

I hear ya'...On the other hand, CJ had a depleted and ineffective running game heading into the Peach Bowl. Lost his best TE Stover in the first half. Then lost Marvin Harrison Jr in the second half. Yet,still...

He lost Marvin Harrison JR. with about 40 seconds left in the third quarter with Ohio State up 14 entering the 4th quarter. Then rest of the way Ohio State scored 3 points in 4th quarter, allowing Georgia to come back. OSU kicker missed a GW 50 field goal.

Harrison played 3/4 of the game and im sure if he was able to play in the 4th quarter, Ohio State would have won outright without needing to kick a FG because it's much easier to play defense when opposing teams top target is out of the picture.

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1 minute ago, pantherpain said:

Because its the truth. I think its more his build than just his height.

That is a myth.  Bryce played overall against better competition and dominated from day 1.  Was injured and missed 1 game.  In college.  In the SEC.  Young’s the pick

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3 minutes ago, Shocker said:

That is a myth.  Bryce played overall against better competition and dominated from day 1.  Was injured and missed 1 game.  In college.  In the SEC.  Young’s the pick

I agree Bryce would be my pick also, but I keep hearing he weights 195 pounds  soaking  wet he can't  take a hit and so on, I think he's worth the risk.

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4 minutes ago, pantherpain said:

I agree Bryce would be my pick also, but I keep hearing he weights 195 pounds  soaking  wet he can't  take a hit and so on, I think he's worth the risk.

I take Young, he is an amazing QB.  Will Levis has missed time and had injuries etc.  Why is he considered as more durable?  History says different 

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7 minutes ago, Shocker said:

I take Young, he is an amazing QB.  Will Levis has missed time and had injuries etc.  Why is he considered as more durable?  History says different 

Because Levis is 6'4 and built like a tank, but that goes to show size doesn't stop injury. And the way he runs is dangerous, someone needs to tell him to slow down flying leaps.

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15 hours ago, Shocker said:

That is a myth.  Bryce played overall against better competition and dominated from day 1.  Was injured and missed 1 game.  In college.  In the SEC.  Young’s the pick

Also, for me is the consistency in evaluating both prospects. If CJ's game against Georgia is evidence that he will use his athleticism more to create plays and perform better under pressure (because I can gladly admit on script with a clean pocket - he is the best QB in the draft) 

Then Bryce's performance against Georgia should hold equal weight as it included Jalen Carter, a healthy Nolan Smith, Kelee Ringo, and 5 other defenders that went into the first round last year. 

"The Bama signal-caller took a sack on just 12.5% of his pressured dropbacks in college, an extremely low rate, while his 69.6 pressured-passing grade and 9.3 yards per attempt while under pressure both ranked second at the position."

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If we're excluding drafting a QB at 1 based on how they react to being pressured we probably wouldn't have even traded up in the first place. And to Young's under pressure numbers how many of those plays did he drop back several steps and dance around the pocket for 5 seconds plus? That's not happening in the NFL.

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