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5 hours ago, 96Bravo said:

I hear ya'...On the other hand, CJ had a depleted and ineffective running game heading into the Peach Bowl. Lost his best TE Stover in the first half. Then lost Marvin Harrison Jr in the second half. Yet,still...

He lost Marvin Harrison JR. with about 40 seconds left in the third quarter with Ohio State up 14 entering the 4th quarter. Then rest of the way Ohio State scored 3 points in 4th quarter, allowing Georgia to come back. OSU kicker missed a GW 50 field goal.

Harrison played 3/4 of the game and im sure if he was able to play in the 4th quarter, Ohio State would have won outright without needing to kick a FG because it's much easier to play defense when opposing teams top target is out of the picture.

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1 minute ago, pantherpain said:

Because its the truth. I think its more his build than just his height.

That is a myth.  Bryce played overall against better competition and dominated from day 1.  Was injured and missed 1 game.  In college.  In the SEC.  Young’s the pick

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That is a myth.  Bryce played overall against better competition and dominated from day 1.  Was injured and missed 1 game.  In college.  In the SEC.  Young’s the pick

I agree Bryce would be my pick also, but I keep hearing he weights 195 pounds  soaking  wet he can't  take a hit and so on, I think he's worth the risk.

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4 minutes ago, pantherpain said:

I agree Bryce would be my pick also, but I keep hearing he weights 195 pounds  soaking  wet he can't  take a hit and so on, I think he's worth the risk.

I take Young, he is an amazing QB.  Will Levis has missed time and had injuries etc.  Why is he considered as more durable?  History says different 

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7 minutes ago, Shocker said:

I take Young, he is an amazing QB.  Will Levis has missed time and had injuries etc.  Why is he considered as more durable?  History says different 

Because Levis is 6'4 and built like a tank, but that goes to show size doesn't stop injury. And the way he runs is dangerous, someone needs to tell him to slow down flying leaps.

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15 hours ago, Shocker said:

That is a myth.  Bryce played overall against better competition and dominated from day 1.  Was injured and missed 1 game.  In college.  In the SEC.  Young’s the pick

Also, for me is the consistency in evaluating both prospects. If CJ's game against Georgia is evidence that he will use his athleticism more to create plays and perform better under pressure (because I can gladly admit on script with a clean pocket - he is the best QB in the draft) 

Then Bryce's performance against Georgia should hold equal weight as it included Jalen Carter, a healthy Nolan Smith, Kelee Ringo, and 5 other defenders that went into the first round last year. 

"The Bama signal-caller took a sack on just 12.5% of his pressured dropbacks in college, an extremely low rate, while his 69.6 pressured-passing grade and 9.3 yards per attempt while under pressure both ranked second at the position."

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If we're excluding drafting a QB at 1 based on how they react to being pressured we probably wouldn't have even traded up in the first place. And to Young's under pressure numbers how many of those plays did he drop back several steps and dance around the pocket for 5 seconds plus? That's not happening in the NFL.

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46 minutes ago, gmonjimbo said:

Also, for me is the consistency in evaluating both prospects. If CJ's game against Georgia is evidence that he will use his athleticism more to create plays and perform better under pressure (because I can gladly admit on script with a clean pocket - he is the best QB in the draft) 

Then Bryce's performance against Georgia should hold equal weight as it included Jalen Carter, a healthy Nolan Smith, Kelee Ringo, and 5 other defenders that went into the first round last year. 

"The Bama signal-caller took a sack on just 12.5% of his pressured dropbacks in college, an extremely low rate, while his 69.6 pressured-passing grade and 9.3 yards per attempt while under pressure both ranked second at the position."

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Young was an amazing college QB. If we pick him I hope it translates as well as most people say. I would be ecstatic to be wrong if that is the case.

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11 minutes ago, frankw said:

If we're excluding drafting a QB at 1 based on how they react to being pressured we probably wouldn't have even traded up in the first place. And to Young's under pressure numbers how many of those plays did he drop back several steps and dance around the pocket for 5 seconds plus? That's not happening in the NFL.

No, it's part of a QBs profile that you use to rank the prospects. I'm sure they are evaluating all the variables that impact their performance which will include pressure. 

Also, you have a habit of turning anything that Bryce excels at into a caricature - he dances around in the pocket and throws the ball up for grabs 

His frame is a concern. However, I have to go with his injury history - surgeries, missed games, etc. He's missed one game as a starter and has no reported surgeries.  I'm sure the teams will have his complete medical history, even when he stubbed his toe. 

My input doesn't matter as I'm not part of the Panthers brain trust. Yet until the pick is announced I would take the risk on Bryce because I've consistently listened or read that his tape is better or he is graded as the top QB, even on the majority of mocks that list CJ at 1. 

 

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No, it's part of a QBs profile that you use to rank the prospects. I'm sure they are evaluating all the variables that impact their performance which will include pressure. 

Also, you have a habit of turning anything that Bryce excels at into a caricature - he dances around in the pocket and throws the ball up for grabs 

His frame is a concern. However, I have to go with his injury history - surgeries, missed games, etc. He's missed one game as a starter and has no reported surgeries.  I'm sure the teams will have his complete medical history, even when he stubbed his toe. 

My input doesn't matter as I'm not part of the Panthers brain trust. Yet until the pick is announced I would take the risk on Bryce because I've consistently listened or read that his tape is better or he is graded as the top QB, even on the majority of mocks that list CJ at 1.

We are just offering our opinions to pass the time.

In my mind excelling at scrambling in college and the NFL are different animals. Yes there are traits both he and Stroud have that directly translate but that's the one I'm less impressed with overall because due to the fact he would he the smallest starting QB in the NFL it will not be a feature of his game if the braintrust tab him for the top pick. If they value their job security they will have him keeping that to a minimum and keep him relatively clean. We should and will also seek to shore up the oline even more to compensate. Now would NOT be the time to go back to our past approach of thinking the OL is further along than it actually is. I expect moves to solidify our OL depth to be made if he's the pick.

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10 minutes ago, Martin said:

Young was an amazing college QB. If we pick him I hope it translates as well as most people say. I would be ecstatic to be wrong if that is the case.

I think any of the QBs - Stroud, Young, Richardson even Levis and Hooker that may have me scratching my head will be put in a position to succeed here. 

We just have a difference in who we prefer at 1, which is perfectly fine. 

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If you’re using macOS High Sierra, iCloud Drive is also available as a folder in the Finder, so you can do the same on your Mac. Step 3. Clean up junk files on Mac The easiest way to clean up iCloud and free up some much-needed space is to get rid of junk files. These are cache files, unneeded language files, document versions, temporary files, and downloads. When you use iCloud for backups, these files quickly pile up and become real space wasters. You can try and hunt down these files manually, but the process is time-consuming and, well, risky because you can accidentally delete files necessary for the proper functioning of your Mac. Therefore, it is safer and faster to let a dedicated Mac cleaner do the job for you.  We recommend CleanMyMac X. It comes with the System Junk module designed for quick cleanup and a safe selection of files for removal. It deletes only files that will not degrade your Mac’s performance. Here’s how to use this smart tool: Open CleanMyMac X (free download here). Click System Junk > Scan.  You can now click Review Details and select files for deletion or click Clean right away.  Do the same for Sent and Archive.  Now, go to Trash, press Command + A, and click Delete. Alternatively, right-click any email and choose Delete [x] Messages.  It’s a good idea to develop the habit of trashing any email you know you won’t need in the future right away to avoid space-hogging in the first place. Step 4. Delete iCloud emails you don’t need If you’re using an iCloud email account (the one that ends with @icloud.com), all email messages you get are stored in — you guessed it — iCloud. And while emails themselves don’t weigh that much, email attachments do. PDFs, photos, and other files people have sent to you over the months can add up to a few gigabytes, so go over your old correspondence and do some spring cleaning. Once again, log into your account at icloud.com. Click Mail.  Check your Inbox and delete anything you do not need. Right-click an email and choose Trash Message.  Step 5. Delete outdated backups Having iCloud automatically back up your iPhone on a regular basis is a great way to keep your data intact in case something happens to the phone. But the only backup you’re going to need in this case is the most recent one, so there’s no reason to store backups made months ago. This is how you access all your device backups and delete outdated ones: On your Mac, go to System Settings > Apple ID > iCloud. Click Manage and then Backups. Select a backup you want to remove and then click Delete. Step 6. Delete messages and email attachments from iCloud Old messages and attachments also take up a lot of space, so it’s better to delete them. How to delete messages from iCloud? Like with all of the steps above, there are different ways for iPhone and Mac. We’ll start with removing email attachments on Mac and then switch to deleting old messages and message attachments on both Mac and iPhone. In the Mail app on your Mac:  Open Mail.  Select one or several messages. You can also press Command + A to select all messages. Click Message > Remove Attachment(s). Repeat for all mailboxes.  Now, let’s proceed with messages. On your Mac:  Open the Messages app. Right-click the conversation you want to delete and choose Delete. Confirm the deletion. Now, click View > Recently Deleted and delete unneeded conversations once and for all.
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