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Josh Klein on the recent Bryce “smoke”

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1 hour ago, ncfan said:

And it’s common sense.

you don’t move all that you did and skip on the top QB on your board unless they offer some crazy offer including pick 12 this year.

at the same time.

you’d have to be silly if you think they’ll offer that to move up from 2 to 1

You do if you're equally happy with two quarterbacks and can get decent compensation.

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9 minutes ago, Matthias said:

You have to ask yourself this question, if Bryce Young is the unmistakably better QB, why are the Texans cool with waiting and taking Stroud?  If Washington could have moved up to take Andrew Luck back in 2012, they would have done that with all their heart and soul.  Carolina would be an absolute fool to not take CJ Stroud.

I have read they only want Young and if we take him Houston may decide on someone other than a qb.

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Just now, ncfan said:

Maybe they realize like all these reports that we Do like one guy.  And know it would take a Lot for them for us to trade off that guy, our QB1 for the 2nd guy on our board.

So they don't even call??  I mean if your potential franchise QB is one pick away from you and you aren't high on the other guys I would think you would at least call.  If we fire off an absurd offer or state it's not for sale then that's that.  

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Just now, Mr. Scot said:

You do if you're equally happy with two quarterbacks and can get decent compensation.

Key word is IF.  Maybe whatever info that’s leaking that we like Bryce over Stroud, their people who were at the pro days and everything has that’s same info and hunch as well too.

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1 minute ago, ncfan said:

I mean they may would like too.

but if Bryce is our QB1, why would we trade off?

If Young is the QB the coaching and front office want, I would have to say it would be foolish with Stroud on the board.  If teams around the league (including the Panthers) closely relate these two guys in terms of future success, you have to take the one who's more prototypical.  Even if Young is the better guy, he is only SLIGHTLY better.

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2 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Key word is IF.  Maybe whatever info that’s leaking that we like Bryce over Stroud, their people who were at the pro days and everything has that’s same info and hunch as well too.

It's still a hunch, though.

For someone to know that it's leaning one way or another, they'd have to have regular insight info of the discussions going on in the building.

I don't know if anybody has that much access.

(at least not anyone in the outside media)

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      Not sure.  Which ones have more GWDs in the same time frame?
    • MasterAwesome
      How many Qbs can you name better than Bryce Young?

      By MasterAwesome · Posted

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