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Did the S2 TEST take CJ out?

Ivory Panther

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Just now, ForJimmy said:

I wonder why he said "bad" but not the score?  I mean everyone pretty much assumes the worst now.  I'm sure he is telling the truth, I just found that part odd.  Plus if it was just a rumor you would think Stroud's agent would step in and release the real score at some point right?

That last part 

“didn’t feel comfortable saying his score”

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Just now, rmoneyg35 said:

For those acting like the S2 must not be that big of a deal because it’s been around since 2015, well I don’t think you’ve given it much thought. It would take years for the nfl to take it seriously because you would need for a player to play for a few years and need multiple draft classes so you can look at the data more. It probably took years for people to even take it seriously and I am sure a lot of your older front office people wouldn’t take something new seriously.

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7 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Kyle Bailey said he reached out to league sources about this “rumor”

Said is was “Bad”. Didn’t feel comfortable saying the score.  Also said Source stated our Front Office really is high on this S2 thing.

He played a clip from the Houston media.  They’re “sources” mirrored what he’s heard.

 

 

Said from his sources down on mint st

We don’t have a problem with Bryce’s size

Kunkel said that our whole entourage was blown away how Bryce Commanded the room when they met at the combine and Pro Day.  And Blew them away on the visit

Good lord, imagine not having a problem with Young's size.

As I've repeatedly said, I hope that don't get drawn in by the off-the-field stuff when it's the on-the-field stuff that matters. 

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1 minute ago, ncfan said:

That last part 

“didn’t feel comfortable saying his score”

Yeah I read that but he felt ok saying it was "bad."  It's no big deal just found it odd.  It's probably true or Stroud's camp would be all over it.  Tepper also loves analytics which could explain all of the recent Young links to Carolina.  It all makes sense.  

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1 minute ago, OldhamA said:

Good lord, imagine not having a problem with Young's size.

As I've repeatedly said, I hope that don't get drawn in by the off-the-field stuff when it's the on-the-field stuff that matters. 

There’s a reason they get paid a lot of money to do this and your whining on a message board about a prospect several teams tried to trade up for

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2 minutes ago, top dawg said:

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/what-is-the-s2-cognitive-test/

So last year's highest score was the last pick in the draft?  Meaning no one took it seriously?   It seems like it's the new wonderlic test.  I'm not sure there is ever going to be some magical test to show how successful a QB can be in the NFL.  

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2 minutes ago, ncfan said:

There’s a reason they get paid a lot of money to do this and your whining on a message board about a prospect several teams tried to trade up for

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I'm 'whining' on a message board because a) I'm British, so good luck getting a foot in the door of an NFL franchise and b) I have a very lucrative career of my own.

There's a reason these guys are fired every other year too - besides someone like Ozzie Newsome, they're all flawed. I mean at one point Thomas Dimitroff was considered hot poo (NFL Exec of the year) and now he has a podcast in his mid-50s.

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6 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

So last year's highest score was the last pick in the draft?  Meaning no one took it seriously?   It seems like it's the new wonderlic test.  I'm not sure there is ever going to be some magical test to show how successful a QB can be in the NFL.  

See, this is the massive concern I have with Young. 

Brock Purdy scored a 4.55 on the RAS score last year - basically he's a 6', 212lb QB that ran a 4.8 40 yard dash.

He was a 4 year starter at Iowa St and had consistently good stats (67% completion percentage, 81 TDs, 33 INTs, 12,000 yards, 151 QB rating). He didn't hit anywhere near the TD heights Young did, he also had nowhere near the surrounding talent. 

Despite all that (and the super high S2 score) the NFL deemed that he was only worth the last pick in the Draft. 

Unless Young ran a 4.2 40 yard dash he'd have tanked his RAS score 'cos he's smaller and lighter than Purdy. Apparently this is no longer a concern for the NFL... because, reasons?

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21 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Good lord, imagine not having a problem with Young's size.

As I've repeatedly said, I hope that don't get drawn in by the off-the-field stuff when it's the on-the-field stuff that matters. 

And Bryce young is better on the field that’s why his haters can only bring up his size and not his play 

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6 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

See, this is the massive concern I have with Young. 

Brock Purdy scored a 4.55 on the RAS score last year - basically he's a 6', 212lb QB that ran a 4.8 40 yard dash.

He was a 4 year starter at Iowa St and had consistently good stats (67% completion percentage, 81 TDs, 33 INTs, 12,000 yards, 151 QB rating). He didn't hit anywhere near the TD heights Young did, he also had nowhere near the surrounding talent. 

Despite all that (and the super high S2 score) the NFL deemed that he was only worth the last pick in the Draft. 

Unless Young ran a 4.2 40 yard dash he'd have tanked his RAS score 'cos he's smaller and lighter than Purdy. Apparently this is no longer a concern for the NFL... because, reasons?

Purdy had some bad games too. He was projected to go higher and kind of regressed his junior year I believe. I guess my question is if the S2 is the greatest test why wasn’t Iowa St winning more with him at QB? Why are people saying Fields struggles to read defense as he apparently aced it as well? It’s just another source of data to look at like the wonderlic test.

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