The Anti-tankers…. Never forget!!!!

[Jacabee]

This premise conveniently overlooks the benefits of not quitting mid-season. Do we attract the same level of coaches? Do we attract the same level of free agents? Do we have as good an evaluation on the existing roster? At minimum, the o-line seemed to gel into a unit with dominant potential as the season wore on. Does that happen without a competitive season? 

There’s a value to morale, and this team went from an unfocused clusterfug to a limited, but sound team by the end of the year. Those sound building blocks gave the front office the confidence to go and get their guy. Whether it pans out is fate but finishing the season strong enabled the staff to make the move they did and bring their guy into the best situation possible. 

[JVic]

The only result anyone should care about is Matt Rhule isn't here anymore.  I don't care if Bryce Young turns into Vince Young.  Not having Rhule anywhere near this franchise is an automatic improvement.  

[AceBoogie]

I was pro tank. And I can tell you given the result, I change my stance. You absolutely try to win the division with it being wide open. We still ended up with the #1 pick even if we had to give up resources to get it. 

[Varking]

Didn’t the Eagles do just that a couple years ago? Bench some of their starters in the final week to see what their other players had? 

[ForJimmy]

2 minutes ago, Varking said:

Didn’t the Eagles do just that a couple years ago? Bench some of their starters in the final week to see what their other players had? 

Yeah it led to Pederson getting fired, which worked out well for the Jags. Also the Eagles were lucky and landed another great HC.

[Varking]

1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

Yeah it led to Pederson getting fired, which worked out well for the Jags. Also the Eagles were lucky and landed another great HC.

I agree. It worked out for both organizations. I was just pointing that recent example out for those claiming tanking never happens. And without needing to say it the Colts did it by hiring a coach who has never coached at any level before… They were clearly just hoping to remain in the running for a top pick. 

[ForJimmy]

21 minutes ago, Varking said:

I agree. It worked out for both organizations. I was just pointing that recent example out for those claiming tanking never happens. And without needing to say it the Colts did it by hiring a coach who has never coached at any level before… They were clearly just hoping to remain in the running for a top pick. 

Yeah the Colts did it when they made Reich bench Ryan for Ehlinger. They were 3-3-1 before all of that poo went down. The Saturday as HC was just icing on the cake to ensure they got a top pick. 

[rayzor]

1 hour ago, Jacabee said:

This premise conveniently overlooks the benefits of not quitting mid-season. Do we attract the same level of coaches? Do we attract the same level of free agents? Do we have as good an evaluation on the existing roster? At minimum, the o-line seemed to gel into a unit with dominant potential as the season wore on. Does that happen without a competitive season? 

There’s a value to morale, and this team went from an unfocused clusterfug to a limited, but sound team by the end of the year. Those sound building blocks gave the front office the confidence to go and get their guy. Whether it pans out is fate but finishing the season strong enabled the staff to make the move they did and bring their guy into the best situation possible. 

Excellent question. Who wants to play or coach for a team that chooses to lose? For any reason. You choose to lose and you end up a losing team in more ways than one. You choose to do that and you deserve to stay at the bottom of the barrel and more than likely that's where you stay.

And that's no team I'm going to support either. You may say that's not being a good fan, but fans that want theyr team to lose are horrible for a teans morale and, imo, is the worst kind of fan a team could have.

[csx]

1 hour ago, Varking said:

Didn’t the Eagles do just that a couple years ago? Bench some of their starters in the final week to see what their other players had? 

And players around the league were rather pissed 

[csx]

How All Pros think about it. You can disagree but you can't dismiss it

 

[Stuart Smith]

On 5/6/2023 at 7:14 PM, TheBigKat said:

We beat the Bucs- we win the division, get a 20th pick instead of 9, out of contention for the #1 pick, likely retain Wilks and a cut rate coaching staff and get embarrassed by Dallas in the playoffs. This off-season we’d be excited about signing a Jimmy G / Derek Carr kind of QB #vomit

 

We take the L… we get the #9 pick, new coaching staff that turns out to be on paper quite possibly the best staff Tepper’s wallet can get, we trade draft capital and get the #1 pick, get aggressive in FA and suddenly things look optimistic after 5 years of dire

 

Had we taken more L’s… we’d likely be sitting at 4 or 5, could have still gotten the #1 pick but it would likely not cost us DJ Moore

 

Sometimes you have to think long term health of the franchise and had we racked up more pointless wins last year we wouldn’t be enjoying the position this team is finally in

You are making a lot of assumptions. No one knows for 100% if Wilkes would have been retained even if the Panthers would have beat Tampa. We also don’t know if Tepper would have given the green light to trade up in the draft. A lot of unknowns. 

[Varking]

19 minutes ago, csx said:

And players around the league were rather pissed 

But the point is it happens. It happened in Philly and it happened in Indy. It’s definitely happened in the past as well but some organizations try to cover it up better. 

[Varking]

13 minutes ago, csx said:

How All Pros think about it. You can disagree but you can't dismiss it

 

Yeah my man said there’s teams that have bad cultures and are worried about player evaluation and draft positioning… sounds like tanking without using the word. I don’t have an issue with folks saying they don’t want their team to tank. You always want to win. I approach every week with a “I want to win” attitude during the season. However, after we would lose games I flip the perspective to draft stock to get a QB so I had a reason to be happy rather than mad after each week. However, for folks ( and not you who I’m quoting ) who want to pretend teams don’t make decisions to rest “injured” players, to swap out QB to “evaluate them” or hiring a coach mid season who has never coached at any level… tanking definitely happens in the NFL. 

[Icege]

I'm very interested to hear how some of the pro-tank crowd will convince players to sacrifice one year of their career for an organization that they won't be back with the following season.

I imagine that that's going to be a difficult task. Especially so when considering that the average NFL career lasts just over three seasons.

But yea, go ahead and tell those guys to have a seat so that the team can get one or two spots ahead in line at the counter for lotto tickets that are going to be used to replace them. 

The same folks suggesting tanking will be the same ones complaining that the team can't attract free agents and claim that it's because "nobody wants to play for a loser." -_-

Edited May 8, 2023 by Icege