Praise for Mingo

[mrcompletely11]

9 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

I don't know how many games we win. Im just expecting us to win this division. If we do that we're in the playoffs.

 

I would say 10 wins is realistic this year.

10 wins has won the nfc south 4 times in the last 20 years.   

[CamWhoaaCam]

8 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

10 wins has won the nfc south 4 times in the last 20 years.   

[WhoKnows]

2 hours ago, Martin said:

Just curious, how many teams in the league has the depth to replace all of their star players without regressing? Only a handful in my estimation.

The point wasn’t all the stars. We gave up 207 yards and 3 TDs to a guy who was having his worst year in the league up to that point because we were missing Horn. We still had Brown, Luvu, Shaq and Burns but just Horn out and the D was terrible. That’s my point about thin. I don’t think there’s a star on the team that we can replace and not have a big drop off where the opponents can take advantage. 49ers lost their starting QB, best WR and a ton of guys on D for many weeks and still had a good enough record to make the playoffs. If the Eagles lost a 10 sack guy last year, they would still have had one of the best DLs for pressuring the QB. Dallas had a backup go 4-1 and Elliott has fallen off a cliff the last 3 years and their 2nd RB has been amazing and they went 12-5. Those are 3 examples off the top of my head where teams had a lot of depth to still pressure the QB without the best pass rusher or had an offense with multiple elite guys.

It’s not a bad thing. We finally got our QB and have some young talent but I think we are fooling ourselves to think we’ve got the depth of the other playoff teams. Tampa beat us to win the division and Dallas curb stomped them. Even with Wilks and the running game we were 3-8 against non-NFC South teams and that was with an easy/last place schedule.

In the past couple drafts we’ve traded away 7 draft picks and that doesn’t include our 2024 1st and 2025 2nd or the 3rd we used on Corral. I’m glad to have Young but we gave away and entire draft and more of picks including 5 day 1 and day 2 picks. That’s why we are thin right now and aren’t finished with building a perennial contender.

[Martin]

51 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

The point wasn’t all the stars. We gave up 207 yards and 3 TDs to a guy who was having his worst year in the league up to that point because we were missing Horn. We still had Brown, Luvu, Shaq and Burns but just Horn out and the D was terrible. That’s my point about thin. I don’t think there’s a star on the team that we can replace and not have a big drop off where the opponents can take advantage. 49ers lost their starting QB, best WR and a ton of guys on D for many weeks and still had a good enough record to make the playoffs. If the Eagles lost a 10 sack guy last year, they would still have had one of the best DLs for pressuring the QB. Dallas had a backup go 4-1 and Elliott has fallen off a cliff the last 3 years and their 2nd RB has been amazing and they went 12-5. Those are 3 examples off the top of my head where teams had a lot of depth to still pressure the QB without the best pass rusher or had an offense with multiple elite guys.

It’s not a bad thing. We finally got our QB and have some young talent but I think we are fooling ourselves to think we’ve got the depth of the other playoff teams. Tampa beat us to win the division and Dallas curb stomped them. Even with Wilks and the running game we were 3-8 against non-NFC South teams and that was with an easy/last place schedule.

In the past couple drafts we’ve traded away 7 draft picks and that doesn’t include our 2024 1st and 2025 2nd or the 3rd we used on Corral. I’m glad to have Young but we gave away and entire draft and more of picks including 5 day 1 and day 2 picks. That’s why we are thin right now and aren’t finished with building a perennial contender.

All fair points. I just think most teams are thin in a couple of areas and are one or two injuries away. We are not unique in that. But of course I’d like better depth. Jets as an example are deep on defense but very thin on their o-line.

[Jon Snow]

1 hour ago, WhoKnows said:

The point wasn’t all the stars. We gave up 207 yards and 3 TDs to a guy who was having his worst year in the league up to that point because we were missing Horn. We still had Brown, Luvu, Shaq and Burns but just Horn out and the D was terrible. That’s my point about thin. I don’t think there’s a star on the team that we can replace and not have a big drop off where the opponents can take advantage. 49ers lost their starting QB, best WR and a ton of guys on D for many weeks and still had a good enough record to make the playoffs. If the Eagles lost a 10 sack guy last year, they would still have had one of the best DLs for pressuring the QB. Dallas had a backup go 4-1 and Elliott has fallen off a cliff the last 3 years and their 2nd RB has been amazing and they went 12-5. Those are 3 examples off the top of my head where teams had a lot of depth to still pressure the QB without the best pass rusher or had an offense with multiple elite guys.

It’s not a bad thing. We finally got our QB and have some young talent but I think we are fooling ourselves to think we’ve got the depth of the other playoff teams. Tampa beat us to win the division and Dallas curb stomped them. Even with Wilks and the running game we were 3-8 against non-NFC South teams and that was with an easy/last place schedule.

In the past couple drafts we’ve traded away 7 draft picks and that doesn’t include our 2024 1st and 2025 2nd or the 3rd we used on Corral. I’m glad to have Young but we gave away and entire draft and more of picks including 5 day 1 and day 2 picks. That’s why we are thin right now and aren’t finished with building a perennial contender.

You have to remember that those teams have had years of great drafting and smart offseason signings to get where they are.  The Panthers have struggled mightily at that for quite sometime now. I'm not sure you can compare us to those teams right now. Even if Fitterer nails the next draft and FA I still say we will need more depth just about every position.  It takes a great GM to build a perennial contender.  The jury is still out on Fitts.

[pantherclaw]

6 hours ago, OceanPanther said:

I’m not so sure about that. I can’t locate every preseason game in our history..  but none I found , had a more Lackluster offense , and keep a preseason defense on the field so long.. lost by 27.

Yeah, we looked pretty bad.. Thanks goodness it’s preseason.  

I remember Clausen. Worse oline. Worse offense.  Worse defense. 

Oh the pain. 

[WhoKnows]

8 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

You have to remember that those teams have had years of great drafting and smart offseason signings to get where they are.  The Panthers have struggled mightily at that for quite sometime now. I'm not sure you can compare us to those teams right now. Even if Fitterer nails the next draft and FA I still say we will need more depth just about every position.  It takes a great GM to build a perennial contender.  The jury is still out on Fitts.

Agree 100%. Our drafting has been on the bad side for a while. Between the picks we’ve traded away and the reaches, we haven’t built enough talent to compete perennially yet. Young is a huge key if we do or not, but we have up a lot so we’ll have to overcome that a bit as well. We need some day 2/3 success stories. Easily replaceable starters don’t count.  We need to add more above average impact guys.

[Mistuh Jones]

I saw a report where he went in for a backiotomy - err an MRI/Xray and they said he'd be out for weeks