NFLPA Exec Director calls out the league over the turf

[Harbingers]

4 minutes ago, Tbe said:

It’s Las Vegas and Arizona I think. Those systems work because they are built into the foundation of the stadium. It’s not a retrofit an existing stadium could do. 

LV has a grass and turf field btw. They swap out based on need.

No that’s fair but let’s just run under the assumption this is something the NFL is forced to fix within a specific amount of time. 

[OldhamA]

37 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

Was just coming here to post this. If I was a betting man, I’d say this is going to blow up as soon as this season. We very well may be looking at a strike or lockout if the NFLPA decides to take a vote on this. 

I was going to say, it's easily rectified if the players feel strongly about it - go on strike. 

[Cullenator]

10 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

Plenty of space if you move the parking on the north west side. There is literally a car crusher/money laundering on the other side of the highway. Easy fix. Next!

So take out the parking deck, rebuild the foundation of the dome, rebuild the support structures for the highway, and since the parking has to go somewhere lets just displace those businesses to the NW as well as the electrical substation.

 

 

For 8-12 weekends a year...

[Harbingers]

3 minutes ago, Cullenator said:

So take out the parking deck, rebuild the foundation of the dome, rebuild the support structures for the highway, and since the parking has to go somewhere lets just displace those businesses to the NW as well as the electrical substation.

 

 

For 8-12 weekends a year...

I mean who would be against it? 
 

Ans no you don’t have to touch the substation there’s enough space as is. Look at the lot on Poydras and Claiborne. Build that vertical all good. 

Edited September 13, 2023 by Harbingers

[ladypanther]

As was stated in the thread about the turf issue for Jourdan Rodrique's Athletic article. the Jet's field was  the worst type.  The NFLPA had already called it out but nothing done.

 .An NFLPA-led movement using the hashtag #SaferFields called for the immediate replacement and ban of the slit-film turf surfaces currently in use by seven NFL teams: the New York Giants, New York Jets, Detroit Lions, Minnesota Vikings, New Orleans Saints, Indianapolis Colts and Cincinnati Bengals. Slit-film surfaces are often referred to as “grabby.

https://theathletic.com/4074335/2023/01/11/nfl-turf-fields-injuries/?source=emp_shared_article

 

Also...grass might not always be the best.  This year will be a good test in Tennessee:

..........the Titans explored a number of solutions to improve the natural playing surface. Nashville exists in a transition climate zone, which makes growing a consistent grass surface throughout the entire NFL season nearly impossible.

In more recent years, after player/coach concerns, an increase in injuries, and persistent issues with the undependable surface, the Titans amped up their research with data to determine the best, and safest, plan moving forward. Looking at statistics from the 2018-2021 NFL seasons, Nissan Stadium had higher lower extremity injuries than each of the monofilament synthetic turfs in the league.

The conclusion: Putting in a new, cutting-edge field turf that will be installed in time for the 2023 season.

The project – replacing the grass with monofilament, Matrix Helix Turf with organic infill – will provide players with a consistent playing experience year-round. This fall, Nissan Stadium will become the first NFL stadium with the technology of a synthetic turf system that incorporates organic infill.

https://www.tennesseetitans.com/news/why-the-titans-are-switching-to-turf-at-nissan-stadium-starting-in-2023

It will be interesting to see how the players like playing on that surface and see the data about injuries. There is a learning curve I am sure to find the right equipment, cleats to use for each different surface and see how it changes with weather and temps.

[Harbingers]

1 minute ago, ladypanther said:

As was stated in the thread about the turf issue for Jourdan Rodrique's Athletic article. the Jet's field was  the worst type.  The NFLPA had already called it out but nothing done.

 .An NFLPA-led movement using the hashtag #SaferFields called for the immediate replacement and ban of the slit-film turf surfaces currently in use by seven NFL teams: the New York Giants, New York Jets, Detroit Lions, Minnesota Vikings, New Orleans Saints, Indianapolis Colts and Cincinnati Bengals. Slit-film surfaces are often referred to as “grabby.

https://theathletic.com/4074335/2023/01/11/nfl-turf-fields-injuries/?source=emp_shared_article

 

Also...grass might not always be the best.  This year will be a good test in Tennessee:

..........the Titans explored a number of solutions to improve the natural playing surface. Nashville exists in a transition climate zone, which makes growing a consistent grass surface throughout the entire NFL season nearly impossible.

In more recent years, after player/coach concerns, an increase in injuries, and persistent issues with the undependable surface, the Titans amped up their research with data to determine the best, and safest, plan moving forward. Looking at statistics from the 2018-2021 NFL seasons, Nissan Stadium had higher lower extremity injuries than each of the monofilament synthetic turfs in the league.

The conclusion: Putting in a new, cutting-edge field turf that will be installed in time for the 2023 season.

The project – replacing the grass with monofilament, Matrix Helix Turf with organic infill – will provide players with a consistent playing experience year-round. This fall, Nissan Stadium will become the first NFL stadium with the technology of a synthetic turf system that incorporates organic infill.

https://www.tennesseetitans.com/news/why-the-titans-are-switching-to-turf-at-nissan-stadium-starting-in-2023

It will be interesting to see how the players like playing on that surface and see the data about injuries. There is a learning curve I am sure to find the right equipment, cleats to use for each different surface and see how it changes with weather and temps.

As far as I understand the cork was good as a playing surface. But it became slippery as fug on the sidelines. That week one college game people were claiming sideline injuries. So…

[SmokinwithWilly]

Easiest solution I can think of his skylights that can redirect sunlight into the stadium without compromising the domes surface, or grow lights, but those would be ridiculously expensive on power. 

[Jon Snow]

52 minutes ago, ncfan said:

All it took was a NY team with Rodgers going down for them finally do it

https://x.com/dangrazianoespn/status/1701934913136607625?s=46&t=aiPUjsQe1UqJLQWV6-uFZA

A sports medical doctor on nfl network this morning said that Achilles tears are not related to the tuff whether it's grass or artificial.  The playing surface in this case is irrelevant.  Now if your talking ankle and knee injuries then yes, artificial tuff shows a higher injury rate for those types of injuries.  Achilles injuries on the other hand happened at the same rate on either surface. So using Rodgers injury as a reason to lobby for a change is a poor one. It's only because of who it was that anyone cares.  It could have happened on grass just as easily. 

[ladypanther]

Just read this on The Athletic...not sure where to put it so will put it here:

What’s notable about that injury and Rodgers’ tear is that both players had calf issues leading up to the injury. Rodgers missed time in June with a calf strain. Calf strains don’t always serve as a precursor to Achilles ruptures, but they can contribute. Any sort of inflammation or minor tears in the calf muscles put more pressure on the Achilles. Even if it’s not much, it can be enough to weaken the Achilles. This is why during calf strain recovery it is very important to follow a strict recovery plan that avoids putting undue pressure and stress on surrounding structures.

https://theathletic.com/4854996/2023/09/12/achilles-injury-recovery-timeline-aaron-rodgers/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983

[Cullenator]

The cost involved in retrofitting domes is just prohibitive even if an engineer can design a solution that doesnt adversely impact the structural integrity of the building.

 

To be clear I think grass would be better

 

However I think its pretty ridiculous to require some of these domes to add it

[pantherclaw]

Hydroponics works. 

[pantherclaw]

27 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

A sports medical doctor on nfl network this morning said that Achilles tears are not related to the tuff whether it's grass or artificial.  The playing surface in this case is irrelevant.  Now if your talking ankle and knee injuries then yes, artificial tuff shows a higher injury rate for those types of injuries.  Achilles injuries on the other hand happened at the same rate on either surface. So using Rodgers injury as a reason to lobby for a change is a poor one. It's only because of who it was that anyone cares.  It could have happened on grass just as easily. 

Shuuush, semantics.  

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, pantherclaw said:

Shuuush, semantics.  

I know, reason and logic have been replaced by knee jerk emotions.  I know better, but I still hope there's intelligence out there somewhere....right?

[ladypanther]

45 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

As far as I understand the cork was good as a playing surface. But it became slippery as fug on the sidelines. That week one college game people were claiming sideline injuries. So…

Could be a matter of finding the right cleats?  Don't know...but there should be more info after this season with a team using it all year.