PFT reporting Caleb Williams wants partial ownership stake in whichever franchise drafts him

[X-Clown]

This was initially reported by PFT in July, not sure why this is resurfacing now around twitter. Aaron Rodgers asked for it in his Jets contract too (but didn't get it obviously).

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/aaron-rodgers-caleb-williams-were-among-the-players-jostling-for-equity

[IndyPanther]

4 hours ago, Panther'sBigD said:

I’m all for it. Why does everyone instinctively poo on the guy actually producing the product rather than the old rich guys who mostly inherited their ownership stake? 

I hate to break it to you buddy but the players are not actually the product. No one really cares about grown men running around in tights. The only thing people care about is the teams and the brands associated with them.

[joemac]

1 hour ago, bandu said:

kid thinks he's Tom Brady 2.0 lmao kind of reminds me of John Elway whenever he was a kid ...just saying

Except as far as I know, Williams does not have the NY Yankees to fall back on and use as a bargaining chip. 

[Panther'sBigD]

1 hour ago, IndyPanther said:

I hate to break it to you buddy but the players are not actually the product. No one really cares about grown men running around in tights. The only thing people care about is the teams and the brands associated with them.

Totally, buddy. I know I follow the Panthers solely for their sweet color scheme and mascot/branding. It’s got nothing to do with watching Smitty and Jake pull off X Clown against the Rams, or Luke stiff arm Romo on Thanksgiving. The NFL could throw a jersey and tights on any one of us and we’d be just as compelling to watch. 
 

Your take is bad and you should feel bad.

 

[IndyPanther]

3 minutes ago, Panther'sBigD said:

Totally, buddy. I know I follow the Panthers solely for their sweet color scheme and mascot/branding. It’s got nothing to do with watching Smitty and Jake pull off X Clown against the Rams, or Luke stiff arm Romo on Thanksgiving. The NFL could throw a jersey and tights on any one of us and we’d be just as compelling to watch. 
 

Your take is bad and you should feel bad.

 

The fact that you're a Panthers fan tells me that you are a fan because of the branding. If you were a fan because of the players, you would be a fan of a different team. We have no good players.

Here's another example. The vast majority of players in the XFL played power 5 football and have additional experience they didn't have in college, making them better players. At worst, the XFL is on an equal footing with the ACC from a talent standpoint. So why do hundreds of times more people watch ACC football than XFL football? Give me a reason that isn't branding.

And if the players didn't need the brands for people to watch, the NFLPA would just stage its own games. No one would watch that so they don't do it.

[LL Cool K]

2 hours ago, IndyPanther said:

I hate to break it to you buddy but the players are not actually the product. No one really cares about grown men running around in tights. The only thing people care about is the teams and the brands associated with them.

I mean, branding definitely plays a part, but let’s not kid ourselves. The talent level in the NFL is insane. I watch the panthers and am invested because they’re my local team, but you can bet your ass I’m also gonna watch Justin Jefferson (pre injury) and others because those guys are incredible. 

[LordOfDaWingz]

He just threw 3 interceptions in one half, Joe Burrow would never. I don’t see the generational talent tbh. Really good Qb though. 

[DJ feed me moore]

1 hour ago, IndyPanther said:

The fact that you're a Panthers fan tells me that you are a fan because of the branding. If you were a fan because of the players, you would be a fan of a different team. We have no good players.

Here's another example. The vast majority of players in the XFL played power 5 football and have additional experience they didn't have in college, making them better players. At worst, the XFL is on an equal footing with the ACC from a talent standpoint. So why do hundreds of times more people watch ACC football than XFL football? Give me a reason that isn't branding.

And if the players didn't need the brands for people to watch, the NFLPA would just stage its own games. No one would watch that so they don't do it.

me and the panthers were born in Charlotte NC in 1993. Its bigger than a brand its my HOMETOWN.

[Aussie Tank]

Cocky bastard haha 

[BrisbanePanther]

At least he can make an NFL throw, right? I kid (sort of).

I even saw a tweet (are they called "xeets" now?) that claimed Caleb would have gone #1 in a hypothetical draft with Burrow and Lawrence.

Seriously, half the rage that's been consuming the Huddle about Bryce is because of giving the #1 pick to Chicago...which could have been used to pick this guy as no one will take a WR at #1.

And before anyone says, "nah, we'd just take Maye", Maye will be dissected to the nth degree during draft season like all these players and he'll suddenly become a questionable pick at #1, and that's if the chatter doesn't cause him to fall during the year. I could see trading the pick though, and that's a rightful complaint of a missed opportunity.

[LinvilleGorge]

11 minutes ago, BrisbanePanther said:

At least he can make an NFL throw, right? I kid (sort of).

I even saw a tweet (are they called "xeets" now?) that claimed Caleb would have gone #1 in a hypothetical draft with Burrow and Lawrence.

Seriously, half the rage that's been consuming the Huddle about Bryce is because of giving the #1 pick to Chicago...which could have been used to pick this guy as no one will take a WR at #1.

And before anyone says, "nah, we'd just take Maye", Maye will be dissected to the nth degree during draft season like all these players and he'll suddenly become a questionable pick at #1, and that's if the chatter doesn't cause him to fall during the year. I could see trading the pick though, and that's a rightful complaint of a missed opportunity.

I very seriously doubt he would've gone ahead of Lawrence. Possibly Burrow due to the age and one year wonder concern.

But Lawrence was nearly universally considered the best QB prospect since Luck.

[LinvilleGorge]

I really think some of the shine is going to come off of Williams when people stop watching him as a college QB and actually start evaluating him as an NFL prospect. Everything happens too slow for him after the snap. He just doesn't process quickly enough. I thought it might have just been a luxury of opportunity but the last two games suggest he can't speed it up even when he needs to. Maybe getting into the NFL and focusing heavily in that will help him but if he can't speed it up significantly it ain't gonna translate. You can't hold the ball as long as he does in the NFL.

[ForJimmy]

9 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I really think some of the shine is going to come off of Williams when people stop watching him as a college QB and actually start evaluating him as an NFL prospect. Everything happens too slow for him after the snap. He just doesn't process quickly enough. I thought it might have just been a luxury of opportunity but the last two games suggest he can't speed it up even when he needs to. Maybe getting into the NFL and focusing heavily in that will help him but if he can't speed it up significantly it ain't gonna translate. You can't hold the ball as long as he does in the NFL.

I think scouts are over evaluating these "Mahomes" traits as in off balance throws and constantly looking for the big play.  Honestly that might be a big reason why we picked Young over Stroud.  Stroud was fundamentally sound and sat back delivering dimes quickly.  Young was more exciting extending plays and throwing these off balance throws while avoiding defenders.  One is a lot harder to replicate in the NFL vs the other...

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, ForJimmy said:

I think scouts are over evaluating these "Mahomes" traits as in off balance throws and constantly looking for the big play.  Honestly that might be a big reason why we picked Young over Stroud.  Stroud was fundamentally sound and sat back delivering dimes quickly.  Young was more exciting extending plays and throwing these off balance throws while avoiding defenders.  One is a lot harder to replicate in the NFL vs the other...

Don't get me wrong, I think the guy is a helluva prospect. He checks a LOT of boxes. But slow processing speed will likely prove to be an Achilles heel if he can't speed it up.