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Mr. Scot

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1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

They might have Cam'd him. Trying to play a QB through a rotator cuff injury on his throwing arm is just fuging idiotic.

I was thinking the same thing. He hasn’t looked good the past few games. I didn’t realize he had a rotator cuff issue but it was pretty obvious he wasn’t right. One thing to be rusty, another to be legit hurt. Stupid to play him at all when it was obviously hurt already.

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13 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

How do you feel about him coaching Howell?

 

It would be better for Howell. Unlike Rivera, BB doesn’t skimp on OL. Rivera with Hurney did almost nothing OL drafting wise. DG liked hog mollies so he at least added Turner, Norwell, Moton, Williams and some FAs but as soon as Rivera hooked back up with Marty, Trent Williams got traded and they did little to add OL again. BB has used many higher draft picks on OL. Seemed like OL and D, especially secondary were BB’s strong points in terms of development.

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1 minute ago, WhoKnows said:

It would be better for Howell. Unlike Rivera, BB doesn’t skimp on OL. Rivera with Hurney did almost nothing OL drafting wise. DG liked hog mollies so he at least added Turner, Norwell, Moton, Williams and some FAs but as soon as Rivera hooked back up with Marty, Trent Williams got traded and they did little to add OL again. BB has used many higher draft picks on OL. Seemed like OL and D, especially secondary were BB’s strong points in terms of development.

Belichick isn't a great drafter either (as was mentioned elsewhere by someone else).

He lived for years off of Dante Scarnecchia being one of the best OL coaches in football, but since Scarnecchia retired yhe Patriot lines have been nowhere near as good.

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11 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

It would be better for Howell. Unlike Rivera, BB doesn’t skimp on OL. Rivera with Hurney did almost nothing OL drafting wise. DG liked hog mollies so he at least added Turner, Norwell, Moton, Williams and some FAs but as soon as Rivera hooked back up with Marty, Trent Williams got traded and they did little to add OL again. BB has used many higher draft picks on OL. Seemed like OL and D, especially secondary were BB’s strong points in terms of development.

Rivera's indifference toward OL really is pretty astonishing. It 100% followed him to Washington so he likely wasn't a victim of poor OL roster management here. He was probably the one begging for resources to be spent elsewhere.

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12 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I can't see him coming here. No way he'd be interested in being micromanaged by Tepper. But those two egos colliding would be must watch TV. 😂

Main reason why I was all for Harbaugh coming here. 
He would tell the Teppers to get out and let the professionals do their job. 
It would be entertaining to see them go head to head. 
Which one can be more stubborn. I

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40 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Belichick isn't a great drafter either (as was mentioned elsewhere by someone else).

He lived for years off of Dante Scarnecchia being one of the best OL coaches in football, but since Scarnecchia retired yhe Patriot lines have been nowhere near as good.

BB has drafted 16 OL who have been multi-year starters, 4 of whom were pro-bowlers. That doesn’t include the multiple 2023 OL drafted that haven’t had a chance yet. Some really good OL in the non-pro bowlers like Nate Solder.

Scarnecchia was the NE OL coach one year before BB and basically the entire career of Brady with BB. When Brady left, Scarnecchia left. BB drafted OL on day 1/day 2 a lot so he brought in talent as well.

NE has had solid OL with all 3 of them. How much of an affect Brady leaving had versus Scarnecchia, we don’t really know. Brady has always been one of the absolute best QBs at stepping up and avoiding pressure so that to Cam and Mac is a big reason for a drop off. Losing your 20 year OL coach is a big reason. Losing Thuney and Shaq Mason to FA is a big reason as well.

It is funny that Belichick is now a sucky coach who lived off of everyone else. Brady was a stud. He may have made BB look good and he may have made Scarnecchia look good as well. NE has dropped off a lot because they drafted at the bottom of the 1st for a long time and when Brady left, there was a mass exodus, like both really good guards and OL coach. They are in a talent rut right now, so you can make your contrarian statement like you often do but there’s enough evidence that BB can draft OL well and that he’d be much better than Rivera for Howell’s well being.

 

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2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Rivera's indifference toward OL really is pretty astonishing. It 100% followed him to Washington so he likely wasn't a victim of poor OL roster management here. He was probably the one begging for resources to be spent elsewhere.

The stark contrast between Rivera/Hurney (here and Washington) and Rivera/Gettleman is astonishing.

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16 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

BB has drafted 16 OL who have been multi-year starters, 4 of whom were pro-bowlers. That doesn’t include the multiple 2023 OL drafted that haven’t had a chance yet. Some really good OL in the non-pro bowlers like Nate Solder.

Scarnecchia was the NE OL coach one year before BB and basically the entire career of Brady with BB. When Brady left, Scarnecchia left. BB drafted OL on day 1/day 2 a lot so he brought in talent as well.

NE has had solid OL with all 3 of them. How much of an affect Brady leaving had versus Scarnecchia, we don’t really know. Brady has always been one of the absolute best QBs at stepping up and avoiding pressure so that to Cam and Mac is a big reason for a drop off. Losing your 20 year OL coach is a big reason. Losing Thuney and Shaq Mason to FA is a big reason as well.

It is funny that Belichick is now a sucky coach who lived off of everyone else. Brady was a stud. He may have made BB look good and he may have made Scarnecchia look good as well. NE has dropped off a lot because they drafted at the bottom of the 1st for a long time and when Brady left, there was a mass exodus, like both really good guards and OL coach. They are in a talent rut right now, so you can make your contrarian statement like you often do but there’s enough evidence that BB can draft OL well and that he’d be much better than Rivera for Howell’s well being.

 

It's been pretty bad since around 2016.  Unsure how that lines up with a lot of changes there but outside of Duggar, Wise, think it can be argued it's one of the worst in the league.  Mac Jones and their punter the only pro bowlers since 2016.  Jury is still out on Strange, he's up and down.  Thuney (and maybe Shaq Mason) are their only draft hits on the OL in over 10 years.

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