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Ranking Derrick Brown's Season

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1 hour ago, WestPanthers said:

And guess which GM drafted Derick Brown and nailed in the 1st rd again ~

Hurney first-round picks:
2002 - Julius Peppers
2003 - Jordan Gross
2004 - Chris Gamble
2005 - Thomas Davis
2006 - DeAngelo Williams
2007 - Jon Beason
2008 - Jonathan Stewart, Jeff Otah
2011 - Cam Newton
2012 - Luke Kuechly
2017 - DJ Moore
2018 - Brian Burns
2019 - Derrick Brown

If there's a hall of fame for first-round drafters, Marty Hurney would be a first-year selection lol.

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13 minutes ago, CRA said:

1996 Kevin Greene is a pretty glaring omission. 

Finished 2nd in DPOY votes.   14.5 sacks.  Helped take that team out of nowhere to the NFCCG.  It's definitely top 5. 

 

 

If you go by Pro Football Reference's AV metric, he had the top Panthers season for a defensive player. Their list:
1) Kevin Greene (1996)
2) Kris Jenkins (2002)
3) Luke Kuechly (2013)
4) Sam Mills (1996)
5) Julius Peppers (2006)

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3 minutes ago, TN05 said:

Hurney first-round picks:
2002 - Julius Peppers
2003 - Jordan Gross
2004 - Chris Gamble
2005 - Thomas Davis
2006 - DeAngelo Williams
2007 - Jon Beason
2008 - Jonathan Stewart, Jeff Otah
2011 - Cam Newton
2012 - Luke Kuechly
2017 - DJ Moore
2018 - Brian Burns
2019 - Derrick Brown

If there's a hall of fame for first-round drafters, Marty Hurney would be a first-year selection lol.

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2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

You have to factor in the draft position also. A majority of them were taken in the top half of the 1st due to the terrible everything else he did to get there. Still not bad for a 1st hit rate.

I hear you and that's generally what is said whenever people praise Marty's homerun streak....

but a lot of teams have consistently drafted high.....and done very poorly.  First round has a pretty high bust rate.  Marty's streak is pretty dang good. 

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40 minutes ago, TN05 said:

Hurney first-round picks:
2002 - Julius Peppers
2003 - Jordan Gross
2004 - Chris Gamble
2005 - Thomas Davis
2006 - DeAngelo Williams
2007 - Jon Beason
2008 - Jonathan Stewart, Jeff Otah
2011 - Cam Newton
2012 - Luke Kuechly
2017 - DJ Moore
2018 - Brian Burns
2019 - Derrick Brown

If there's a hall of fame for first-round drafters, Marty Hurney would be a first-year selection lol.

Damn. Can he become our draft consultant and just ignore him after round one? That list is insane and it’s even more insane we couldn’t get back to back winning seasons from all of that. 

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51 minutes ago, TN05 said:

Hurney first-round picks:
2002 - Julius Peppers
2003 - Jordan Gross
2004 - Chris Gamble
2005 - Thomas Davis
2006 - DeAngelo Williams
2007 - Jon Beason
2008 - Jonathan Stewart, Jeff Otah
2011 - Cam Newton
2012 - Luke Kuechly
2017 - DJ Moore
2018 - Brian Burns
2019 - Derrick Brown

If there's a hall of fame for first-round drafters, Marty Hurney would be a first-year selection lol.

Now do Fitterer:

2021: Horn

2022: icky

2023: Young

Ironic part of the 2020 draft. It was rumored that Hurney wanted to trade up for a QB….Herbert. But was voted down by the brain trust they thought Teddy was the answer. Also rumored that Rhule wanted Henderson. So Hurney picked Brown. 
 

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50 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

You have to factor in the draft position also. A majority of them were taken in the top half of the 1st due to the terrible everything else he did to get there. Still not bad for a 1st hit rate.

Incorrect. Let's look at the positions:

2002 - Julius Peppers (2nd overall)
2003 - Jordan Gross (8th overall)
2004 - Chris Gamble (28th overall)
2005 - Thomas Davis (14th overall)
2006 - DeAngelo Williams (27th overall)
2007 - Jon Beason (25th overall)
2008 - Jonathan Stewart (13th overall), Jeff Otah (19th overall)
2011 - Cam Newton (1st overall)
2012 - Luke Kuechly (9th overall)
2017 - DJ Moore (24th overall)
2018 - Brian Burns (16th overall)
2019 - Derrick Brown (7th overall)

First, let's discount 2001 as his fault. Of these picks here, I can say 2 were positions that were entirely his fault (2011 and 2012). That being said, draft position doesn't matter as much as draft acumen. Hurney only had 5 picks in the top ten; he had as many in the bottom 10, and all of those (Gamble, Williams, Beason, and Moore) were slam-dunks. 

Like look, you can like or dislike Hurney. But there's probably no GM in NFL history who has ever, as consistently as he did, selected first-round picks that, at worst (with the exception of Otah), proved to be league leaders and franchise staples. When one of your weaker picks is Jon Beason - a guy who was undisputedly the best linebacker in the league for three seasons before a very unfortunate injury) - you know you did a good job. Over 12 picks he selected one bust (Otah), three Hall of Famers or borderline Hall of Famers (Peppers, Newton, Kuechly), six Pro Bowlers or All-Pros (Gross, Davis, Williams, Beason, Stewart, Burns), one who will be a Pro Bowler (Moore), and two others that should be/have been Pro Bowlers (Gamble and Brown).

He was more likely to pick a Hall of Fame than a bust, and that one bust was entirely due to injury and was great when he played. That is absurdly good.

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