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Bears get #1 pick....

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On 12/31/2023 at 3:24 PM, AggieLean said:

Trading up wasn’t bad. You just can’t miss on that pick. Stroud or AR should have been the pick

Ugh, to think that of the three options we picked the worse one... Hell, the worst QB in the entire class so far...

With AR, we are probably still drafting #1 just because of his injury. But man, he looked so dynamic when he was playing.  So much to look forward to.

Stroud probably has this team in the playoff hunt until the last couple weeks of the season (because our division sucks) and we still probably have Reich as a coach lol. I think our offensive weapons aren't good, but aren't nearly as bad as people say, which is why when BY was "on" for a couple quarters, they looked pretty good.  Decent QB play elevates everyone...

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16 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

Ugh, to think that of the three options we picked the worse one... Hell, the worst QB in the entire class so far...

With AR, we are probably still drafting #1 just because of his injury. But man, he looked so dynamic when he was playing.  So much to look forward to.

Stroud probably has this team in the playoff hunt until the last couple weeks of the season (because our division sucks) and we still probably have Reich as a coach lol. I think our offensive weapons aren't good, but aren't nearly as bad as people say, which is why when BY was "on" for a couple quarters, they looked pretty good.  Decent QB play elevates everyone...

I would AR is leaning bust too. He was even more averse to throwing downfield than Bryce when he was knocked out for good.

Then you factor in how injury prone he was when he plays like Cam/Allen. 

So, not that it matters, but we only had a 1/3 shot(most likely) of success. 

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1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

I would AR is leaning bust too. He was even more averse to throwing downfield than Bryce when he was knocked out for good.

Then you factor in how injury prone he was when he plays like Cam/Allen. 

So, not that it matters, but we only had a 1/3 shot(most likely) of success. 

I dunno man, AR has 3 2+ TD games ... in only 4 games. For a rookie.

While you're right about being somewhat adverse throwing downfield, for him, it isn't an arm strength issue, at least.  And he's only 21... 

I would def be worried about injuries tho.

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On 12/31/2023 at 5:03 PM, heel31ok said:

Just thinking back to all the crap some of us took for saying hold at 9  or trade back.

The mantra was "we have to do something now." Well there ya go,enjoy watching our QB getting drafted this draft.

  The 'just be happy our owner made a move' people were not any better. It was a crap trade then and now, lots just couldn't see it. Or the people that said the trade value was OK at the time. LOL!

On 12/31/2023 at 5:24 PM, AggieLean said:

Trading up wasn’t bad. You just can’t miss on that pick. Stroud or AR should have been the pick

I liked AR but he shouldn't have been in that convo because he is was a high ceiling project, not at 1 and not at that cost of getting to 1. If Stroud wasn't it then don't make the trade at all. Bryce's school film was enough to pass before the trade. The trade was awful and got worse with who they picked and how their picks went up in value after doing the trade and draft. A good WR gone, only one on the roster, when brining in a QB? That is enough to bust the trade itself. 

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2 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

I dunno man, AR has 3 2+ TD games ... in only 4 games. For a rookie.

While you're right about being somewhat adverse throwing downfield, for him, it isn't an arm strength issue, at least.  And he's only 21... 

I would def be worried about injuries tho.

AR was always my preference but at 9 and only with the right HC, mainly because we were never just a QB away from being a legit contender. AR wouldn't have fit with FR and definitely not with Brown as OC. 

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9 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

I dunno man, AR has 3 2+ TD games ... in only 4 games. For a rookie.

While you're right about being somewhat adverse throwing downfield, for him, it isn't an arm strength issue, at least.  And he's only 21... 

I would def be worried about injuries tho.

Yeah but Gardner Minshew also looked great for them. That is a far better coached offense ans far more talented offense.

Like I said, I am not buying the AR hype. Could end up being wrong but we will see.

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2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah but Gardner Minshew also looked great for them. That is a far better coached offense ans far more talented offense.

Like I said, I am not buying the AR hype. Could end up being wrong but we will see.

Biggest concern with AR for me was always his playing like Cam shortening his career. He's raw, no doubt and that's why I would have been fine at 9, but not at 1. 

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7 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah but Gardner Minshew also looked great for them. That is a far better coached offense ans far more talented offense.

Like I said, I am not buying the AR hype. Could end up being wrong but we will see.

Minshew should have been the starter at the beginning anyways. AR was a project that needed to learn how to transition his game away from trying to be a power runner QB. 

He isn't a bust yet but if he can't learn to throw more and run less he will because he is injury prone, especially in the way he played in school. 

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26 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

AR was always my preference but at 9 and only with the right HC, mainly because we were never just a QB away from being a legit contender. AR wouldn't have fit with FR and definitely not with Brown as OC. 

thats what bothers me...coaches should be able to coach the best players.

 

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23 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Biggest concern with AR for me was always his playing like Cam shortening his career. He's raw, no doubt and that's why I would have been fine at 9, but not at 1. 

Now that I agree with. I wouldn't be pumped about AR at #9 but better than giving up the haul we did.

Agreed on playing like Cam/Allen. Except straight out of the gate he is getting injuries to his shoulder and also a concussion. That is a massive red flag if he plans on playing that style. And, to be clear, this isn’t Lamar Jackson. He can't just sit back there and be a pocket passer because he has waaaaaaay more work and development necessary to become that kind of QB.

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