Panthers interview requests

[razorwolf]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

If you read the excerpts from Kapadia's article, Halaby is absolutely mentioned as part of the problem. It was whether or not McLane mentioned him or not that I don't know.

As to Halaby being something special candidate-wise, yeeeah...no. His resumé isn't anything special.

Everything that Kampala talks about on Alec Halaby has to do with Pederson’s tenure with the eagles. There is no mention of Alec Halaby dysfunction on Sirianni tenure with the eagles. Just says he should be cautious with what happened with Peterson. The Analytics dept is in contact with the coaching staff/GM/Owners to discuss players stats and what plays have seemed to work in prior games, but they do not call the plays or select the players all they can do is give their opinion!

[Bear Hands]

1 hour ago, methodtoll said:

Man, Canales is looking better and better... Him or Slowick would be good for this roster

His call on that last touchdown to seal the game was something we just don’t see here. 

He finished them off mortal combat style. Philly stacked the box to stop what would typically be a run, he knew, so just went for the sealing TD. 

Leave no chances, don’t take the easy way out. Rivera would have ran 3 straight times, and kicked a FG

[Carolina Cajun]

I have very little faith left in the franchise, but if we hire Brian Johnson I will officially have negative amounts of faith in this franchise.  that offense is a complete shitshow

[Mr. Scot]

17 hours ago, MillionDollarCam said:

I want nothing to do with any of the Eagles personnel. They’ve arguably been the worst team in the NFL over the past three weeks and as national pundits have stated, their offense is easy to defend.

They use motion less than any team in the NFL and don’t cause opposing defenses to have to adjust at all. There’s nothing confusing or interesting about the Eagles offense and it all relies on elite execution by the players.

No thank you.

Word this morning that Jason Kelce will retire. Besides him, the Eagles have a lot of good free agents. Someone elsewhere speculated this could be a really bad offseason for them.

Mind you, I'd take Jeff Stoutland in a heartbeat.

[Mr. Scot]

8 hours ago, razorwolf said:

Everything that Kampala talks about on Alec Halaby has to do with Pederson’s tenure with the eagles. There is no mention of Alec Halaby dysfunction on Sirianni tenure with the eagles. Just says he should be cautious with what happened with Peterson. The Analytics dept is in contact with the coaching staff/GM/Owners to discuss players stats and what plays have seemed to work in prior games, but they do not call the plays or select the players all they can do is give their opinion!

Did the team we watched last night (specifically, the one that started the season 10-1 only to finish like they did) look like something you'd want to emulate?

If you watched that dreck and said "you know, we need to hire people from there" I can't help you.

[Mr. Scot]

FYI...

 

[mav1234]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Did the team we watched last night (specifically, the one that started the season 10-1 only to finish like they did) look like something you'd want to emulate?

If you watched that dreck and said "you know, we need to hire people from there" I can't help you.

how do you figure a GM / front office person has anything to do with that...?  the Eagles have a stacked roster, talent-wise.

[Martin]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

FYI...

 

I might be interested in him if he brings his dad along to coach the o-line and mentor him. Bill is a very good o-line coach.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Martin said:

I might be interested in him if he brings his dad along to coach the o-line and mentor him. Bill is a very good o-line coach.

One of the best...

[Mr. Scot]

34 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

how do you figure a GM / front office person has anything to do with that...?  the Eagles have a stacked roster, talent-wise.

It's more about the culture, honestly.

Jeffrey Lurie and Howie Roseman helped build an environment in Philly that was so toxic it led to parting ways with the first head coach to ever led the Eagles to a Super Bowl victory. The way they treated Pederson even makes David Tepper look good by comparison.

Lurie and Roseman were meeting with Pederson after every game in order to lob questions and criticisms at him and pick apart is coaching job, this even after strong wins.

Sound familiar?

(basically, Reich's "weekly meetings" on steroids)

Halaby was a direct part of that culture, detailed to be so in The Athletic's writeup, with an additional comment that part of his ascension likely owed to his being college friends with Jeffrey Lurie's son.

Now, perhaps that kind of environment sounds good to David Tepper (seeing as he created a similar one here) but that doesn't work for me.

But hey, some positive spin out of the PR machine is apparently enough to make some folks forget all that stuff and declare that this is the guy we really need

And now, that same culture that fired Pederson is set to dump yet another coach just one year after he led them to a Super Bowl. Has Sirianni made mistakes? Yeah. So did Pederson by basically throwing the final game he coached (I suspect out of spite) but that doesn't excuse team leadership from creating that environment.

I suspect another story like the ones Kapadia and McLane wrote after Pederson was dumped will hit sometime after Sirianni is fired. My only hope is we don't get those details In the wake of having hired Halaby.

Edited January 16, 2024 by Mr. Scot

[Mr. Scot]

For the folks who don't have a subscription to The Athletic, here's a free article that quotes and summarizes a lot of the writeup by Kapadia and company:

Making sense of the latest report of Eagles' dysfunction

The excerpt most pertinent to this discussion...

Who is Alec Halaby?

One of the more interesting (and new) parts of The Athletic story is about Alec Halaby, the Eagles’ vice president of football operations and strategy. Basically, Halaby is the head of the Eagles’ analytics department. We don’t hear a ton about him on a daily basis, but he has an important role within the organization.

According to the story, a “rift” grew between Halaby and members of the Eagles’ coaching and scouting departments.

“Within the building, he’s perceived as Howie’s guy,” said one source. “That’s a problem. … No coach wants somebody around who they think is undermining the perception of how well they’re doing.”

To some, Halaby is something of an interloper. They say he carries influence with Lurie in part because of a close relationship with fellow Harvard grad Julian Lurie, Jeffrey’s son, who stands to one day take over the family business. To others, Halaby is “brilliant” and simply willing to fight for what he believes is right. The more nuanced opinion is that Halaby is in a “no-win situation,” boxed into a specific characterization by the non-traditional football background he shares with Roseman and a personality that makes him a “square peg in a round hole.”

The blurriness of Halaby’s influence on the final decision-makers created rifts throughout the organization and contributed to the iciness between departments. One source described the analytics team as a “clandestine, Black Ops department that doesn’t answer to anybody except the owner,” even though Halaby officially reports to Roseman.

During the 2017 season, Halaby and Pederson’s relationship soured to the point where Pederson berated Halaby within earshot of the rest of the office, according to sources. In the opinion of some members of the coaching staff, Halaby was not to be trusted.

There will probably always been some natural tension between analytics folks and old-school football people. That’s, in some ways, to be expected. But there has to be an effort to bridge the gap between those two sides. According to this story, Andrew Berry was brought to Philly with the expectation by some to do that. But Berry’s stay in Philly was short before he moved on to Cleveland to be their GM. And it appears that the rift remains. Analytics, by the way, aren’t going anywhere. Lurie is enamored.

Yikes

It almost sounds like Lurie used Halaby's analytics department like his own personal KGB to bully and intimidate the coaches into doing things his way (i.e. the analytics way).

And yes, Halaby was part of that. There's in fact no indication that he was a reluctant or unwilling part of it either.

So again, if that's the kind of person you want setting the culture for the Panthers, I can't help you.

Edited January 16, 2024 by Mr. Scot

[Mage]

58 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Did the team we watched last night (specifically, the one that started the season 10-1 only to finish like they did) look like something you'd want to emulate?

If you watched that dreck and said "you know, we need to hire people from there" I can't help you.

People can like different candidates.  Nobody here actually knows how any of these GMs will pan out.  People thought John Lynch was an atrocious hire when the 49ers got him.    People thought Scott Fitterer was a great hire when we got him.  People thought Nick Caserio was a bad Patriots hire when the Texans got him.

It is all just guesswork.  The best you can hope for is the guy you get comes from a team known for stockpiling talent and that it rubbed off on them.  That is why some people, including me, want Halaby.  Now I'm sure you'll tell me to go read the article again and that is okay.  I'm not pretending like I know Halaby will be a success for a fact.  But you shouldn't pretend like you know he will be a failure either (which you seem to be doing by putting down anyone who dissents from what you believe in).  None of us really knows what these front office people are doing on an everyday basis.  Predicting a good GM is even harder than predicting a good HC (and that is a crap-shoot too).  

Edited January 16, 2024 by Mage

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, Mage said:

People can like different candidates.  Nobody here actually knows how any of these GMs will pan out.  People thought John Lynch was an atrocious hire when the 49ers got him.    People thought Scott Fitterer was a great hire when we got him.  People thought Nick Caserio was a bad Patriots hire when the Texans got him.

It is all just guesswork.  The best you can hope for is the guy you get comes from a team known for stockpiling talent and that it rubbed off on them.  That is why some people, including me, want Halaby.  Now I'm sure you'll tell me to go read the article again and that is okay.  I'm not pretending like I know Halaby will be a success for a fact.  But you shouldn't pretend like you know he will be a failure either (which you seem to be doing by putting down anyone who dissents from what you believe in).  None of us really knows what these front office people are doing on an everyday basis.  Predicting a good GM is even harder than predicting a good HC (and that is a crap-shoot too).  

I have no problem with people liking different candidates.

But yeah, if you can read everything that's been written with about Halaby to this point and still say "that's the kind of guy we need", I can't help you.

Jeffrey Lurie is at this point what David Tepper wishes he was, and not in a good way. Wanting to emulate that kind of environment is not something I can sign up for.

Call it guesswork if you want, but there's a lot less "guessing" involved when you actually take the time to research the candidates.

Edited January 16, 2024 by Mr. Scot

[Mage]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I have no problem with people liking different candidates.

But yeah, if you can read everything that's been written with about Halaby to this point and still say "that's the kind of guy we need", I can't help you.

Saying "I can't help you" is 100% putting down someone who has a different opinion than you.

But I get why you don’t want him. Just understand why some do.

Edited January 16, 2024 by Mage