Trent Brown at LT?

[Panthero]

 

35 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

How does a first round pick go from having a good rookie season with a lot of promise to a bust in one season?

Is he just that bad?  Or

The Panthers had a terrible offensive line scheme?  Not to mention the injuries to our interior line. 

I am hoping it is the latter and not the former.  This will be his third season under his 4th regime. 

I don't know what Reich was trying to do but IMO there were far too many hands in the cookie jar, and it showed on the field. 

The most difficult part of this is Canales is going to have very little time to figure out which one it is.  He'll have to look at tape of 2022 and 2023 and decide whether 2023 was a sophomore jinx or he'll be fine.

 

i never paid much attention but i remember hearing pff podcast talk about Icky getting a lot of TE shade help his first year. 

[DaveThePanther2008]

1 minute ago, Panthero said:

 

i never paid much attention but i remember hearing pff podcast talk about Icky getting a lot of TE shade help his first year. 

I've heard that before as well.  That could also be because he's learning the position. 

[Panthero]

2 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

I've heard that before as well.  That could also be because he's learning the position. 

for sure. didnt the guy from new york take several years? Andrew Thomas. I'm not sure its time to move him inside. i want to see one more year personally, but have a plan in place if he's truly not cut out for the position. that way we'd get a year at guard (his fourth year) in order to decide if we want to pick up a fifth year. 

[DaveThePanther2008]

1 minute ago, Panthero said:

for sure. didnt the guy from new york take several years? Andrew Thomas. I'm not sure its time to move him inside. i want to see one more year personally, but have a plan in place if he's truly not cut out for the position. that way we'd get a year at guard (his fourth year) in order to decide if we want to pick up a fifth year. 

I think the good thing is he's still an asset if we have to move him inside. It won't be a total waste of a pick. Plus it seems many believe Brady C. could handle the LT spot.

2024 will be a great time to figure things out. 2025 we can focus on upgrading QB or LT depending on how Young and Icky progress. 

[MHS831]

On a side note, Brown was a 7th round selection.  We should have a team of scouts focused the bottom feeders.  We need to start thinking about 2025 and beyond on day 3....

[WhoKnows]

9 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

On a side note, Brown was a 7th round selection.  We should have a team of scouts focused the bottom feeders.  We need to start thinking about 2025 and beyond on day 3....

We need to have a strategy. Take OL flyers late, especially guys who did well at big schools but for whatever reason didn’t go early like Norwell out of Ohio State or Smith (Tennessee) or Williams (Oklahoma). Don’t take projects who looked bad pre-draft like Deonte or waste picks like long snappers. We tried to fix our Smith mistake with Mays and Zavala but they haven’t looked good. Still needs to continue but TBH, our scouting department has been god awful at finding good value.

[WhoKnows]

1 hour ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

How does a first round pick go from having a good rookie season with a lot of promise to a bust in one season?

Is he just that bad?  Or

The Panthers had a terrible offensive line scheme?  Not to mention the injuries to our interior line. 

I am hoping it is the latter and not the former.  This will be his third season under his 4th regime. 

I don't know what Reich was trying to do but IMO there were far too many hands in the cookie jar, and it showed on the field. 

The most difficult part of this is Canales is going to have very little time to figure out which one it is.  He'll have to look at tape of 2022 and 2023 and decide whether 2023 was a sophomore jinx or he'll be fine.

 

Honestly, I think he may just be bad at LT pass blocking. Burns would have his best game ever if he played against Iky. Fast, quick off the ball edge rushers can get around Iky so fast it’s crazy.

Maybe he’s just slow off the ball and can fix that but damn he just looks like he doesn’t have the footwork or god given athleticism to stop a fast edge rusher.

[chbright]

14 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

We need to have a strategy. Take OL flyers late, especially guys who did well at big schools but for whatever reason didn’t go early like Norwell out of Ohio State or Smith (Tennessee) or Williams (Oklahoma). Don’t take projects who looked bad pre-draft like Deonte or waste picks like long snappers. We tried to fix our Smith mistake with Mays and Zavala but they haven’t looked good. Still needs to continue but TBH, our scouting department has been god awful at finding good value.

Rouse from OU, Jones from Texas fit the bill imo. Both currently undervalued. Iirc both have lots of snaps/starts under their belts. I don't get the reason Rouse went from a mid/2nd tier OT prospect last year to now a late or UDFA guy. Their film is pretty ok/good. Is it prospect fatigue?

[WhoKnows]

27 minutes ago, chbright said:

Rouse from OU, Jones from Texas fit the bill imo. Both currently undervalued. Iirc both have lots of snaps/starts under their belts. I don't get the reason Rouse went from a mid/2nd tier OT prospect last year to now a late or UDFA guy. Their film is pretty ok/good. Is it prospect fatigue?

Hard to tell if someone doesn’t go through the draft process. Look at Greg Little. Marty, unfortunately, had a hard on for the guy but had he stayed in school he could have easily dropped. He was a top/1st round prospect until he looked awful at the combine position drills. We caught the falling knife and his career turned out to be exactly what we saw at the combine.

So a player could have had a great grade because they never got scrutinized or they dropped because they had a not as good year. Also, early draft material is all over the place so if you combed every site/talking head there would be 60 players who all were in one or more first rounds.

[Jay Roosevelt]

Depending on the price I wouldn't hate this. Brown is solid and it could be upgrading two spots by moving Ickey to guard and would allow us to make Brady Christensen a depth guy who can play multiple positions.

[heel31ok]

they roll with Icky at LT...

[MHS831]

7 hours ago, WhoKnows said:

We need to have a strategy. Take OL flyers late, especially guys who did well at big schools but for whatever reason didn’t go early like Norwell out of Ohio State or Smith (Tennessee) or Williams (Oklahoma). Don’t take projects who looked bad pre-draft like Deonte or waste picks like long snappers. We tried to fix our Smith mistake with Mays and Zavala but they haven’t looked good. Still needs to continue but TBH, our scouting department has been god awful at finding good value.

Preacher -- choir  Fully agree

I think we have GMs that see a player that they feel dropped and think they are grabbing a bargain.  No, they drop because their scouting departments and GMs saw something.  I recall Clausen--Minnesota and KC needed QBs that year, and some crackheads had Clausen as a top 15 pick.  I remember Hurney taking Clausen after KC and Minnesota passed on him---in the second round.  In fact, he tried to trade up to #33 to get JC, offering a first rounder the following year plus other picks.  This franchise is only as good as its front office.  Mr Brass Balls needs to get another desk ornament, maybe this time a brain paper weight.

 

Edited February 22, 2024 by MHS831

[Shocker]

12 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He's like 6'8" and pushing 400 pounds. How is Bryce gonna see over that mountain of a man?

[WhoKnows]

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

Preacher -- choir  Fully agree

I think we have GMs that see a player that they feel dropped and think they are grabbing a bargain.  No, they drop because their scouting departments and GMs saw something.  I recall Clausen--Minnesota and KC needed QBs that year, and some crackheads had Clausen as a top 15 pick.  I remember Hurney taking Clausen after KC and Minnesota passed on him---in the second round.  In fact, he tried to trade up to #33 to get JC, offering a first rounder the following year plus other picks.  This franchise is only as good as its front office.  Mr Brass Balls needs to get another desk ornament, maybe this time a brain paper weight.

 

That’s why I didn’t want Morgan. The past 3 drafts were so bad even compared to the rough drafts Hurney had past round 1 in 2018/2019. I felt like Fitterer was Hurney’s clone because of all the reaching but then you add on top his horrific trading and not even being good in the first with 3 top 8 picks no less. There’s literally nothing to point to to feel confident about Morgan’s three years as Fitterer’s right hand man.

The whole I want dawgz comment may get some folks juices running, but not mine. I just want to see actual good drafts where we get great value and improve the team. IDGAF if our GM is a former LB tough guy who hypes up the crowd or is some skinny nerd who can’t lift 25 pounds. Whoever drafts better is who has my vote.

We’ll see soon if we’ve got a chance to get back to the playoffs anytime soon.