Who are the day 3 prospects you want to see us target?

[ForJimmy]

1 hour ago, Jaxel said:

I think it should be Troy Franklin, by all accounts a Dionte Johnson clone, and who better to mentor him that Diontae himself.

DJ’s strength is route running and separation. That is Franklin’s weakness. Franklin is more Chosen Anderson than he is DJ. 

[Jon Snow]

Corbett got beat like a drum regularly as a guard before he got injured. So much so they went out a got the best FA guard available to replace him. So now, instead of putting him on the bench or on the street they are converting him to starting center. An underperforming guard coming off 2 season ending knee injuries will now be the starting center. How the hell does that sound like a wise decision?

Edited April 27, 2024 by Jon Snow

[jb2288]

3 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

DJ’s strength is route running and separation. That is Franklin’s weakness. Franklin is more Chosen Anderson than he is DJ. 

I wouldn’t say it’s a weakness, he’s an adequate route runner. He def isn’t DJ level, but adequate. His biggest weakness imo is can he beat getting jammed at the line in the NFL and make those contested catches he could in college against bigger stronger corners

[jb2288]

6 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Corbett got beat like a drum regularly as a guard before he got injured. So much so they went out a got the best FA guard available to replace him. So now, instead of putting him on the bench or on the street they are converting him to starting center. An underperforming guard coming off 2 season ending knee injuries will now be the starting center. How the hell does that sound like a wise decision?

Corbett has had one bad year in his whole career and unsurprisingly so did every other OL under whatever tf we were doing last year on offense. Agree the injury is a concern. You gotta hope he thrives at C under the new blocking scheme we’re running this year. 

[Hoenheim]

9 hours ago, Mike in Raleigh said:

Whoever is the most raw and needs the most coaching.

This is almost always the answer and why our drafts usually ass cheeks

[Hoenheim]

14 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Corbett got beat like a drum regularly as a guard before he got injured. So much so they went out a got the best FA guard available to replace him. So now, instead of putting him on the bench or on the street they are converting him to starting center. An underperforming guard coming off 2 season ending knee injuries will now be the starting center. How the hell does that sound like a wise decision?

I would've easily taken JPJ or Frazier in R2 and BPA in R3. They should've just taken a flyer on Trey Benson or Braelon Allen if they were that hard up for RB in R4 through R6.

I was okay with the Legette pick because it makes sense. But picking a RB coming off an ACL for R2 and a developmental LB in R3 was bizzare to me.

 

[Jon Snow]

Just now, Hoenheim said:

I would've easily taken JPJ or Frazier in R2 and BPA in R3. They should've just taken a flyer on Trey Benson or Braelon Allen if they were that hard up for RB in R4 through R6.

I was okay with the Legette pick because it makes sense. But picking a RB coming off an ACL for R2 and a developmental LB in R3 was bizzare to me.

 

I'm not complaining about who they chose to draft and at what position....yet. What does confuse me is what positions they decided to focus on. I was never a fan of locking in on specific players in the draft. That's what FA and the waiver wire are for. The draft should be, to me at least, letting the best available come to you. Selecting the best regardless of position, within reason that is. But when teams fall in love with a specific player they panic and start moving around in the draft to make sure they get "their guy". Which usually doesn't work out. I always get nervous when I hear "our guy" because it means they already have blinders on beforeit even starts.

[FattyFatFat]

10 hours ago, methodtoll said:

Ja' Tavion Sanders, Troy Franklin , TJ Tampa

Yes to all of those 

[BeenPounding]

This is the part of the draft where you have to take a good hard look at which players fit your scheme and culture.  Outside of the 4th round there isn't really a huge difference in who gets drafted vs quality undrafted free-agents.

We are more than likely going to trade 101 if we can pick up another 5th or 6th. That would be a spot where we can draft for need/BPA.  If I were Dan Morgan, I'd be focusing on TE or Edge rusher.  If they really think Franklin is truly a late 2nd or 3rd round talent, that would be a solid move.  I really like Cade Stover, but not at 101.  If I were to identify him as a target I'd trade back a few spots.  Looking at the talent available for the 4th round I don't think he'll be picked until at least mid round.

We also need to look at free agent value vs draft value here too.  If we are not in love with any of these Center prospects, how do they compare to current free agents:

C

• Connor Williams
• Mason Cole
• Brian Allen
• Lucas Patrick
• Connor McGovern
• Scott Quessenberry
• Nick Gates

Edge

• Emmanuel Ogbah
• Yannick Ngakoue
• Carl Lawson
• Jerry Hughes
• Charles Harris
• Dawuane Smoot
• Bud Dupree
• Tyus Bowser
• Marquis Haynes
• Rasheem Green
• Markus Golden
• Shaq Lawson

LB:

• Deion Jones
• Zach Cunningham

CB 

• Xavien Howard
• Adoree’ Jackson
• Stephon Gilmore
• Steven Nelson
• Patrick Peterson
• J.C. Jackson
• Ahkello Witherspoon
• Keion Crossen
• Tre Herndon
• Eli Apple
• Chandon Sullivan
• Fabian Moreau
• Jerry Jacobs

WR (fits our needs)

• Hunter Renfrow
• Michael Gallup
• Scotty Miller

I would look to bring Gilmore, Deion Jones, and Haynes back.  Looking at the center market, we could get experienced depth out of that group via free agency.  I wouldn't force a prospect unless we know he fits the scheme.  Additionally, if we are looking to start Corbet, does that mean we can't rule out a guard or tackle that we could convert to a center over the course of the season?  Most linemen are trained, at some level, to play all 5 positions.

We have three picks over the next 100 selections.  If we don't value the BPA at 101 over everyone else from the list below, I would take just about any three or more of these 25 guys listed below.

 

Top Targets day 3:

• Franklin WR
• Tampa CB
• Booker Edge
• Javon Baker WR
• Carson CB
• Erick All TE
• Dolrus Edge
• Brenden Rice WR
• Cam Hart CB
• Jackson CB
• Stover TE
• MacLachlan TE
• Brenner Jackson Edge
• Wilely TE
• Cedric Johnson Edge
• Mohamed Kamara Edge
• Hunter Nourzad C
• AJ Barner TE
• Christian Mahogany G/C
• Gabriel Murphy Edge
• Jordan Jefferson DT/NT
• Javontae Jean-Batiste EDGE
• Tommy Eichenberg LB
• Eric Watts DE/DT
• Braiden McGregor EDGE

[BeenPounding]

59 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I'm not complaining about who they chose to draft and at what position....yet. What does confuse me is what positions they decided to focus on. I was never a fan of locking in on specific players in the draft. That's what FA and the waiver wire are for. The draft should be, to me at least, letting the best available come to you. Selecting the best regardless of position, within reason that is. But when teams fall in love with a specific player they panic and start moving around in the draft to make sure they get "their guy". Which usually doesn't work out. I always get nervous when I hear "our guy" because it means they already have blinders on beforeit even starts.

RB is weird... Yes, they went a little ahead, but if he was clearly heads and tails above the rest I would rather draft the best prospect available from position groups in place of chasing other teams for the same position.  Sanders is going to be an inactive more often than not if Brooks is fully healthy.  We don't need him getting hurt before we cut or trade him.

The only thing that makes the LB selection in the third round is that Morgan identified the traits and the kid is only 21.  He can be coached up while he continues to physically develop. I would have rolled the dice on Wilson or Cedric Grey, but I'm also not a former Pro=Bowl ILB.

 

[Jon Snow]

3 minutes ago, BeenPounding said:

RB is weird... Yes, they went a little ahead, but if he was clearly heads and tails above the rest I would rather draft the best prospect available from position groups in place of chasing other teams for the same position.  Sanders is going to be an inactive more often than not if Brooks is fully healthy.  We don't need him getting hurt before we cut or trade him.

The only thing that makes the LB selection in the third round is that Morgan identified the traits and the kid is only 21.  He can be coached up while he continues to physically develop. I would have rolled the dice on Wilson or Cedric Grey, but I'm also not a former Pro=Bowl ILB.

 

I think in the end Wallace will be just as good as Wilson. He can contribute in rotation and in special teams this season until he adjusts the the pro game.

[Jacabee]

For those that don’t want want the Texas TE (Sanders), what are the reasons? I’ve seen it mentioned Canales doesn’t use TE’s but that seems a questionable assertion at best given what he’s had to work with and the unknowns surrounding coming to a new team with new personnel. 

Seems Sanders’s hands and size would bring another much needed dimension to the flattest offense in the nfl last season. It’s also a dimension the top teams all seem to have. 

[theinstrumental]

3 hours ago, CmC2k said:

I wouldn't say it's an issue with talent because I personally think Corbett is gonna do great at center but having him has our only center on the roster after coming off 2 knee injuries in back-to-back years and being on the last year of his deal is worrisome. We are another Corbett injury away from starting Cade Mayes again. Hopefully they let Brady Christensen get some practice at center too even though I think his future is still the eventual Taylor Moton replacement on the right side. 

That is fair but I think everyone's remembering how bad things looked for Bryce last year and forgetting that there's a whole other side of the ball. Starting corner > backup center. Ditto safety and any dream of a plan at edge rusher.

[theinstrumental]

22 minutes ago, Jacabee said:

For those that don’t want want the Texas TE (Sanders), what are the reasons? I’ve seen it mentioned Canales doesn’t use TE’s but that seems a questionable assertion at best given what he’s had to work with and the unknowns surrounding coming to a new team with new personnel. 

Seems Sanders’s hands and size would bring another much needed dimension to the flattest offense in the nfl last season. It’s also a dimension the top teams all seem to have. 

He's slow. And he's small. Not a lot of good tight ends who are small and slow.