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Worst part of the game yesterday was the end of the 1st half

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23 hours ago, CRA said:

I mean, Ron Rivera is basically Vince Lombardi compared to the Tepper era folks.  Not really the time or place for Ron bashing given what Rhule, Frank and now Dave have done. 

 

Ron Rivera without Cam Newton would have been fired by his third season. He only became Riverboat because Cam kept prodding him.

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6 minutes ago, frankw said:

Ron Rivera without Cam Newton would have been fired by his third season. He only became Riverboat because Cam kept prodding him.

alternative argument.  Cam Newton was really only Cam Newton because Ron Rivera drafted him....and created a world where a unicorn would thrive vs bust out.  Majority of NFL head coaches weren't going to create the world that existed in Carolina for Cam.   They would have stuck with their systems, not green lighted a college O and a world for Cam's personality to take over the game. 

Thomas Davis and Luke Kuechly both became GOATS under the LB/Def savy Ron too.  He gets credit for nothing that occurred.  All painted as things that fell into his lap. 

Ron was flawed. Ron doesn't get enough credit either. 

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1 minute ago, CRA said:

alternative argument.  Cam Newton was really only Cam Newton because Ron Rivera drafted him....and created a world where a unicorn would thrive vs bust out.  Majority of NFL head coaches weren't going to create the world that existed in Carolina for Cam.   They would have stuck with their systems, not green lighted a college O and a world for Cam's personality to take over the game. 

Ron was flawed. Ron doesn't get enough credit either. 

He looked good when they went to an NFL system...then the hit happened. I always wanted Ron to force it way earlier.

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1 minute ago, Waldo said:

He looked good when they went to an NFL system...then the hit happened. I always wanted Ron to force it way earlier.

he stat sheet looked good to open up a season.  That was basically the transition and birth of checking down too much to CMC though IMO.  Which birthed the 1k/1k season the next year. 

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10 minutes ago, CRA said:

alternative argument.  Cam Newton was really only Cam Newton because Ron Rivera drafted him....and created a world where a unicorn would thrive vs bust out.  Majority of NFL head coaches weren't going to create the world that existed in Carolina for Cam.   They would have stuck with their systems, not green lighted a college O and a world for Cam's personality to take over the game. 

Thomas Davis and Luke Kuechly both became GOATS under the LB/Def savy Ron too.  He gets credit for nothing that occurred.  All painted as things that fell into his lap. 

Ron was flawed. Ron doesn't get enough credit either. 

Drafting a unicorn at QB changed everything. Ron had his moments and overall I liked the man and respected him aside from the moments of frustration with his gameday management at times. And his penchant for being comically loyal to his vet players.

Although ultimately all of it boiled down to that fateful Super Bowl. Cam let us down. And Ron Rivera with his usual stubbornness damn sure did.

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4 minutes ago, CRA said:

he stat sheet looked good to open up a season.  That was basically the transition and birth of checking down too much to CMC though IMO.  Which birthed the 1k/1k season the next year. 

He looked like he was getting comfortable in it but yeah it's not like it was amazing from the get go. Still it looked promising. Those checkdowns opened up stuff he could take shots at vs always checking down to CMC after him.

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21 minutes ago, frankw said:

Drafting a unicorn at QB changed everything. Ron had his moments and overall I liked the man and respected him aside from the moments of frustration with his gameday management at times. And his penchant for being comically loyal to his vet players.

Although ultimately all of it boiled down to that fateful Super Bowl. Cam let us down. And Ron Rivera with his usual stubbornness damn sure did.

John Fox and Ron Rivera were solid NFL coaches.  I just can't get down with folks saying the Tepper era is comparable coach wise. 

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22 hours ago, catnip said:

Canales job is to win games .   If he keeps Young at QB he will lose not only games but the locker room as well .    He needs to light a fire under some asses and give Bryce only the next game by halftime .  If he looks bad pull him and put in Dalton ,  We will also lose the fanbase and every game will be a home game for the other team .

Until there is a Qb change, nothing will change for the Panthers 

young has been coddled, and continues to be

he has shown absolutely nothing that makes him fit for the NFL

it will not change 

as the old engineering saying goes ‘you can’t fix a bad design’ and Young is not designed for the NFL    

in a grown man’s league, with teammates looking to get paid for their own performance plus for incentives and playoffs, the locker room will do what the Panthers owner, GM and coaching staff won’t.   As will the Panthers fans who will not turn out for a nfl QB who can’t complete a pass.  Tepper can enjoy being the home field for visitors.  

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