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Thursday Night Football. The Patriots are doing it right with their rookie QB.

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3 minutes ago, jasonluckydog said:

We need a statistician expert to do analysis on rookie QBs that sat for at least 1 year and had relative success during their NFL careers. Of course barring any injury that shortened their career. It would determine if sitting and learning is beneficial to long term success. 

this has been done before and there's really nothing significant one way or the other. there is actually very little data of top 5 picks that sit for an entire year+ most are later picks. I'm personally an advocate of having QBs sit and develop like Mahomes, Rodgers, Love did for example, however I don't think that should be a blanket policy and there are so many factors it depends on. Largely, who your other QB is. Having a Smith/Favre/Rodgers bridge QB makes sitting the rook very easy. Having a Davis Mills/Case Keenum while the rook looks incredible makes it a very different decision, and obviously nobody anywhere is saying Stroud should've sat last year. Or that Cam should've sat year 1.

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43 minutes ago, t96 said:

this has been done before and there's really nothing significant one way or the other. there is actually very little data of top 5 picks that sit for an entire year+ most are later picks. I'm personally an advocate of having QBs sit and develop like Mahomes, Rodgers, Love did for example, however I don't think that should be a blanket policy and there are so many factors it depends on. Largely, who your other QB is. Having a Smith/Favre/Rodgers bridge QB makes sitting the rook very easy. Having a Davis Mills/Case Keenum while the rook looks incredible makes it a very different decision, and obviously nobody anywhere is saying Stroud should've sat last year. Or that Cam should've sat year 1.

 i never want to see another panthers rookie qb touch the field before the bye week. starting a qb right away is just playing against the odds. there is really no upside to it. It's not a short cut to getting experience faster because you're basically drowning the first couple games anyways and really they're likely to just get hurt or shell shocked. zero upside to risking it.

houston got lucky with stroud. they could've waited until the bye week and he'd still be the same player he is now, if not better. 

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35 minutes ago, dxpanther said:

 i never want to see another panthers rookie qb touch the field before the bye week. starting a qb right away is just playing against the odds. there is really no upside to it. It's not a short cut to getting experience faster because you're basically drowning the first couple games anyways and really they're likely to just get hurt or shell shocked. zero upside to risking it.

houston got lucky with stroud. they could've waited until the bye week and he'd still be the same player he is now, if not better. 

well be prepared to be disappointed lol. couldn't disagree more with this take but so be it

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You have to go by the player.

If he shows you he can compete; it isn't too fast for him and he isn't mentally overwhelmed, he will probably get better playing instead of watching. 

There is nothing like being on the clock in with others that are really good. I mean, you might be the worst one, but if you can keep from getting fired you will get a great education. So you have to learn fast, it forces you to. 

 

Some of what Young has seen he hasn't had time to process, he is overwhelmed. He needs to reflect and chill for a while. 

 

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4 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

He's gonna grow by watching Jacoby Brissett have 3 guys in his lap by the time the ball is snapped?

He's gonna grow by not getting killed behind that OL. There's honestly no upside to playing him right now. Like you said, there's two or three guys racing the ball to the QB at the snap and nearly winning the race. There's no reason to put your rookie QB in that situation when you suck.

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22 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He's gonna grow by not getting killed behind that OL. There's honestly no upside to playing him right now. Like you said, there's two or three guys racing the ball to the QB at the snap and nearly winning the race. There's no reason to put your rookie QB in that situation when you suck.

Once again Brissett is not a crash dummy. He's not going to last a full season behind that Oline. Brissett is not a mobile QB. He's gonna get injured sooner than later.

 

Maye has to play at some point.

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27 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He's gonna grow by not getting killed behind that OL. There's honestly no upside to playing him right now. Like you said, there's two or three guys racing the ball to the QB at the snap and nearly winning the race. There's no reason to put your rookie QB in that situation when you suck.

If it's that bad he's eventually going to get some playing time. Might as well get accustomed to it sooner rather than later.

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2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Like I said last night, that's the only way I'm considering playing him.

Yeah you speaking from a UNC fan point of view. 

 

Pats fans not going for that. They will want Maye to play sooner than later. As a fan nobody wants to see their top 10 pick not play their entire rookie season.

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33 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He's gonna grow by not getting killed behind that OL. There's honestly no upside to playing him right now. Like you said, there's two or three guys racing the ball to the QB at the snap and nearly winning the race. There's no reason to put your rookie QB in that situation when you suck.

I don't disagree.  But there seems to be a notion going around that sitting is all that matters, and it doesn't matter if it's behind Mahomes or if it's behind Jacoby Brissett getting 0 yards.  I don't know how much you can learn by watching this New England offense other than the realization that you got drafted by a trash team.

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