WR Diontae Johnson to Ravens

[kungfoodude]

4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Maybe not, but I also think he's worth more than what we got.

Not much more, most likely.

[kungfoodude]

28 minutes ago, Toker Smurf said:

Maybe but to only move up about 10 spots?

It is what it is. We probably came to the market late(likely after this week's game), asked more than reasonable market value or just generally didn't read the room as quickly as we should have.

It's partly a franchise blunder and partly just the market dynamics. 

Of all the things to fret over with this franchise, this really isn't one of them, IMO.

[Basbear]

14 minutes ago, fanpanther said:

Speaking of comp pics i dont know the formula but wouldnt if panthers let him play out this year he sign a nice contract wuth another team end of season wouldnt they get a 3 to 5th withiut having to give up anything?

Yes.

*But if he signed for like 3 years 66 million and the Panthers signed some player at a similar contract, its a wash. It also depends on snap counts and if the player makes all-pro/pro bowl/ etc. Like you said its complicated. FYI the best teams at gaining comp picks is the ravens.

Lastly if you wait until June 1st to sign players, those don't count against the comp formula. There is one guy that has a 95% success rate at predicting the comp picks, he's at over-the-cap and money in the bank about comp pick for the last few years. 

That was my other beef with this trade, even the chance at a 3rd or 5th comp is much better than the crap pile Morgan got. 

[strato]

Well you can bet Diontae's agent was burning up some phone minutes and people knew he wasn't staying.

That's it, the way the game is played if they know there is trouble between the team and the player you get less. 

For, me I thought it was worth it just to give Young all these options and weapons and prove what was or was not.

If they are waffling on that poo now still haven't made up their minds, it was a waste of resources. 

[Basbear]

for the comp questions-

https://overthecap.com/compensatory-picks

 

there's a guy who has a great record and somewhat understands the unknown formula. 

[kungfoodude]

13 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Yes.

*But if he signed for like 3 years 66 million and the Panthers signed some player at a similar contract, its a wash. It also depends on snap counts and if the player makes all-pro/pro bowl/ etc. Like you said its complicated. FYI the best teams at gaining comp picks is the ravens.

Lastly if you wait until June 1st to sign players, those don't count against the comp formula. There is one guy that has a 95% success rate at predicting the comp picks, he's at over-the-cap and money in the bank about comp pick for the last few years. 

That was my other beef with this trade, even the chance at a 3rd or 5th comp is much better than the crap pile Morgan got. 

I think the problem here is that we aren't going to have the luxury of standing pat in free agency to generate a potential Day 2 or Day 3 pick. We have far too many holes in the roster to just sit on our hands.

The Ravens are a great example of having the luxury to met guys walk because ywar in and year out they are not only stacked with talent but manage to identify even more in the draft.

We should get much better at compensatory picks and that system but we have to really build this roster up first.

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

I think the problem here is that we aren't going to have the luxury of standing pat in free agency to generate a potential Day 2 or Day 3 pick. We have far too many holes in the roster to just sit on our hands.

The Ravens are a great example of having the luxury to met guys walk because ywar in and year out they are not only stacked with talent but manage to identify even more in the draft.

We should get much better at compensatory picks and that system but we have to really build this roster up first.

We don't have the cap space to be making big moves

[Basbear]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

I think the problem here is that we aren't going to have the luxury of standing pat in free agency to generate a potential Day 2 or Day 3 pick. We have far too many holes in the roster to just sit on our hands.

The Ravens are a great example of having the luxury to met guys walk because ywar in and year out they are not only stacked with talent but manage to identify even more in the draft.

We should get much better at compensatory picks and that system but we have to really build this roster up first.

You are right, no chance the Panthers with the worst record and least talent can sit idle during FA period. Still better than what the ravens gave up.......

[CamWhoaaCam]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

We don't have the cap space to be making big moves

This is why you need to draft better.

 

Can't depend on FAs signing here. We had to overpay just to get 2 guards to sign here. Draft better the talent will come.

[TD alt]

5 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't think he was worth what people think here. 

That may be true, but we sent a 6th. We couldn't even get a 5th outright? It's just the principle. A 5th is bad enough as far as I'm concerned. I thought we'd get a fourth, but whatever.

[PantherPhann89]

1 hour ago, Basbear said:

The kicker is its a ravens 5th, so it should in the 160 range. For panthers 6th, that should be in 170 range....... so 10-20 spots in late 5th round, where the darts are being used to draft.

just a donkey move by dan morgan, whom must be on the ravens payroll...

Yes, not a good trade.  

[Basbear]

3 minutes ago, TD alt said:

That may be true, but we sent a 6th. We couldn't even get a 5th outright? It's just the principle. A 5th is bad enough as far as I'm concerned. I thought we'd get a fourth, but whatever.

Again I doubt that was the best offer, but IF it was, I just keep him and hope maybe for a 3rd/4th comp pick since Panthers don't have the cap space anyway.

FYI the whole ST unit are FAs in 2025.

[OldhamA]

7 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't think he was worth what people think here. 

Might as well keep him for the season at that price.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

Anyone that's seen the videos of Morgan negotiating the Burns deal with the Giants staff shouldn't be surprised with this. His negotiating skills are laughably bad.