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MHS831 Grand Master

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7 hours ago, strato said:

Okay so I am reading something in The Athletic and it says that Jones had to pass through waivers. So I don't know.

I looked this stuff up when we were number one there all offseason and I thought it said 4 years in the league got you vested, as they call it. 

Vested gets you out of waivers as I understood it. I probably got something wrong, but when I think about the slack quality of journalism these days I wonder about that.

So I went and looked, again. Well, well. 

For everyone:

"When a player has accrued at least four seasons in the NFL, they are considered a vested veteran. When these vested veterans get cut, they are released and their contract is terminated.

When a vested veteran is released, they are an unrestricted free agent that can sign with any NFL team, and the team that released them doesn’t need to provide any additional compensation."

It runs it all down here, where the quotes came from:

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/waived-vs-released-nfl/

As far as Jones, the team turned down his 5th year option so I knew that meant he had 4 years in, because they re-signed him anyway, after turning down the much cheaper extra year. 

The Athletic is owned by the New York Times so I shouldn't be surprised. That paper was an institution once upon a time but they let their standards go.

I saw that too--and what you said made sense because there is something like that in the rules--said that he is unlikely to get picked up (and I was not suggesting that we do) and Jones wants to go to a winning team.   After getting beaten to death in NY behind a sub par OL, poor WRs, and brutal fan base, I get it. 

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Pantherscord member that used to post breakdowns here (can't remember their username on the Huddle) made an interesting point: Signing Jones and then letting him walk at the end of the season could potentially lead to another comp pick... 👀

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3 minutes ago, Icege said:

Pantherscord member that used to post breakdowns here (can't remember their username on the Huddle) made an interesting point: Signing Jones and then letting him walk at the end of the season could potentially lead to another comp pick... 👀

I think shefter reported as well

https://atozsports.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens-news/ravens-reported-interest-in-daniel-jones-has-an-obvious-reason-that-has-nothing-to-do-with-this-season/

 

If the Ravens add Jones on a one-year deal, it will expire at the conclusion of the 2024-25 league year in March and he'd become an unrestricted free agent. Jones could then sign with another team, and the last team he would've played for would be Baltimore.

In short, the Ravens would be eligible to receive a 2026 compensatory pick for Jones signing with another team next year. 

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Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

I think shefter reported as well

https://atozsports.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens-news/ravens-reported-interest-in-daniel-jones-has-an-obvious-reason-that-has-nothing-to-do-with-this-season/

 

If the Ravens add Jones on a one-year deal, it will expire at the conclusion of the 2024-25 league year in March and he'd become an unrestricted free agent. Jones could then sign with another team, and the last team he would've played for would be Baltimore.

In short, the Ravens would be eligible to receive a 2026 compensatory pick for Jones signing with another team next year. 

Damn, that'd be a steal for the Ravens. Diontae AND Daniel signed as depth pieces for the postseason run only to let them walk for comp picks afterwards? Rich getting richer.

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4 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I saw that too--and what you said made sense because there is something like that in the rules--said that he is unlikely to get picked up (and I was not suggesting that we do) and Jones wants to go to a winning team.   After getting beaten to death in NY behind a sub par OL, poor WRs, and brutal fan base, I get it. 

I watched the first half of that playoff game vs Minnesota in 2022 (early 2023) and he wasn't bad. Fell asleep and didn't watch the rest. Really gangly and not as fluid/coordinated looking as Cam for instance. Tall guy playing QB... it didn't surprise me that he fell down on the clip someone posted. 

But he produced the results, was accurate with the ball and effective running it. A whole drive was mostly him running the ball whether designed or escaping to get some yards. I am pretty sure he is better than what we have, whatever anybody says. Going from that. And granted, it was his zenith and possibly not representative of any given Sunday.

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5 hours ago, MHS831 said:

So a starting QB with 5+ years of experience and whose stats are very similar (if you do math) with Cam Newton's stats (who had much better defenses and offensive lines) here becomes available, and Bryce is your QB and you do NOT kick the tires on Jones.  You simply call him a "broken toy" and do nothing.  That sounds like a very passive approach.  Remember, you labeled him, not the stats he accumulated on some pretty bad teams since 2019.  I am telling you what a smart GM would do, and even if Jones is broken and can't be fixed, you make that determination after giving the matter due diligence.  You and Completely are simply forcing your opinions about his play into logic, and the stats do not support them.  Put him in a better situation and he will do better, but in a bad situation, with some terrible offensive lines, WRs, and bad defenses,  he was on track to have stats that parallel Cam Newton--like it or not--numbers don't lie, nor does his size, arm strength, speed, and intelligence.  Broken? I am saying he is an interesting prospect and should not be overlooked by bias, misinformation, and context.

Brother, if you watch Daniel Jones play football and think to yourself, "Man, that's Cam Newton!" I mean....what really more is there to say?

We are not on the same wavelength with this take. At all.

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1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I think shefter reported as well

https://atozsports.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens-news/ravens-reported-interest-in-daniel-jones-has-an-obvious-reason-that-has-nothing-to-do-with-this-season/

 

If the Ravens add Jones on a one-year deal, it will expire at the conclusion of the 2024-25 league year in March and he'd become an unrestricted free agent. Jones could then sign with another team, and the last team he would've played for would be Baltimore.

In short, the Ravens would be eligible to receive a 2026 compensatory pick for Jones signing with another team next year. 

The Ravens would be a great place for him too. Zero pressure.

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6 hours ago, MHS831 said:

So a starting QB with 5+ years of experience and whose stats are very similar (if you do math) with Cam Newton's stats (who had much better defenses and offensive lines) here becomes available, and Bryce is your QB and you do NOT kick the tires on Jones.  You simply call him a "broken toy" and do nothing.  That sounds like a very passive approach.  Remember, you labeled him, not the stats he accumulated on some pretty bad teams since 2019.  I am telling you what a smart GM would do, and even if Jones is broken and can't be fixed, you make that determination after giving the matter due diligence.  You and Completely are simply forcing your opinions about his play into logic, and the stats do not support them.  Put him in a better situation and he will do better, but in a bad situation, with some terrible offensive lines, WRs, and bad defenses,  he was on track to have stats that parallel Cam Newton--like it or not--numbers don't lie, nor does his size, arm strength, speed, and intelligence.  Broken? I am saying he is an interesting prospect and should not be overlooked by bias, misinformation, and context.

Holy poo you are a fuging idiot. Might have to increase my ignore list for the first time in years.

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7 hours ago, KillerKat said:

Holy poo you are a fuging idiot. Might have to increase my ignore list for the first time in years.

Actually, if you had an argument, you would present facts and data and stats like I did-is it that difficult for you to have someone with a different opinion?  Calling names is pretty classy and intelligent. Read my posts, troll.  Please ignore me--I only interact with people who have points. 

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