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Prime Cam Newton vs Current Josh Allen

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I love Cam, he will always be MY Quarterback

But the answer is Allen and at this point, it's frankly almost to the point where it isn't even a close debate.  Cam still edges out Allen's running by a tad, but Allen's passing is already better than Cam's ever was.

The reality is that over the last season or two, Allen is becoming the QB we all expected Cam to be.

And for those using the Super Bowl appearance as why it's still Cam, then you're just fooling yourself because you want the answer to be Cam.  Allen has been to the playoffs 5 times, 3 of them he lost to KC and Mahomes, each of them in seasons KC went to the SB themselves.  If Mahomes wasn't Mahomes, Allen would have already been to a SB by now.  

Trying to knock Allen for that would be like saying Peyton wasn't as great as he was because of how many times he couldn't get past Brady in the playoffs.

We all love Cam, but there isn't anything wrong with just being honest when comparing two great QB's who will both end up in Canton.

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Cam Newton is the best! Cam is greatly underrated. They copied of my guy, Cam & give him no credit. Cam is 1 of 1. Josh Allen is not greater! 

Cam got sh**ted on by two teams, so wrong. There is no reason why Cam should have been  shut down from playing the last 3 years. It’s bias.  Aaron  Rodgers, Kirk Cousins, still play, are older, & are not winning much. Sam Darnold, Andy Dalton, Baker Mayfield, Mac Jones, Jarrett Stidham, Brian Hoyer, etc., all got second & 3rd chances. 
 

Josh Allen is catching up with Cam only because they shut down my favorite Quarterback, Cam, & stopping him from playing. I still hurt! 😢

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3 minutes ago, Partgod said:

Cam Newton is the best! Cam is greatly underrated. They copied of my guy, Cam & give him no credit. Cam is 1 of 1. Josh Allen is not greater! 

Cam got sh**ted on by two teams, so wrong. There is no reason why Cam should have been  shut down from playing the last 3 years. It’s bias.  Aaron  Rodgers, Kirk Cousins, still play, are older, & are not winning much. Sam Darnold, Andy Dalton, Baker Mayfield, Mac Jones, Jarrett Stidham, Brian Hoyer, etc., all got second & 3rd chances. 
 

Josh Allen is catching up with Cam only because they shut down my favorite Quarterback, Cam, & stopping him from playing. I still hurt! 😢

 

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Cam Newton has a Heisman Trophy winner from his C1N Youth Football Team. His name is Travis Hunter, Jr. Cam has many top players in College & the NFL. His Youth Program, is the best in this country &  they were National Champions in 2021.  Travis Hunter was in that game.  
  Cam Newton does not get the National credits he deserves..

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Tar Hills, NC, Drake Maye, recognized Cam as his MVP.  He said he mimicked playing like Cam as a young kid in his backyard..

The top writers in NE Patriots’s, area, wouldn’t credit Cam for it.  Cam had gotten snubbed too much.  I love Cam. He helped me learn about football! 👍💕🙏

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1 minute ago, Partgod said:

Cam Newton has a Heisman Trophy winner from his C1N Youth Football Team. His name is Travis Hunter, Jr. Cam has many top players in College & the NFL. His Youth Program, is the best in this country &  they were National Champions in 2021.  Travis Hunter was in that game.  
  Cam Newton does not get the National credits he deserves..

Patriots new Quarterback from

Tar Hills, NC, Drake Maye, recognized Cam as his MVP.  He said he mimicked playing like Cam as a young kid in his backyard..

The top writers in NE Patriots’s, area, wouldn’t credit Cam for it.  Cam had gotten snubbed too much.  I love Cam. He helped me learn about football! 👍💕🙏

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Cam should have a statue outside BOA. Single handily made the Panthers relevant in the Nat'l media. 

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I get that Allen is amazing, but I'm gonna buck some of the glazing here.  IF we are talking PURELY PRIME...Cam.  Cam Newton in 2015 was a generationally transformational player.  Cams prime was ruined by injury in 2016, and he was never the same, but lets say the injury doesnt happen, his Prime continues.  Cam could make every single throw, he could run over people, he did things that Allen physically cant do and frankly as the tank he was no one ever has.

Simply put, you cant tell me that if tomorrow Allen takes a shot to his throwing shoulder that destroys his ability to push the ball deep (which is a lot of what makes allen special and what made Cam special...god his backfoot 60 yard on a rope to ted ginn against the raiders in 2016 pre injury is still one of the most insane throws I've ever seen) that everyone here would still say Allen over Cam.  We have to contextualize based on how long the "prime" window was, Cams window got slammed shut unfortunately and its a true shame.

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31 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

There is no Allen without Cam. Funny they calling Allen Superman, guess who was the first QB called Superman?

 

Cam did it with much less. Look at all these QBs who wear #1. Can made that famous as well. Put some respect on Big Cam!

 

17 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Nah it's Cam you turn up for your QB dammit!

 

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52 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

There is no Allen without Cam. Funny they calling Allen Superman, guess who was the first QB called Superman?

 

Cam did it with much less. Look at all these QBs who wear #1. Can made that famous as well. Put some respect on Big Cam!

Nobody is disrespecting Cam by saying it's Allen.  Just as nobody is saying Cam didn't change the QB position to allow guys like Allen to be given a chance and then flourish.

But I don't know how anyone can look at the stats between them and objectively say that Allen hasn't surpassed Cam in terms of being a better QB, even if he still needs a few more seasons to pass Cam's totals.

Cam played 48 more games than Allen, which is almost 3 full seasons, but Allen is only 6,000 yards passing behind Cam, only 1,500 yards rushing behind Cam, and already only 11 rushing TDs behind him as well.

Allen already has 2 more passing TDs than Cam and has 40 less INTs than Cam had (.77 per game to .83 per game in Allen's favor).

Allen started his career out with a 53% and 59% completion percentages his first two seasons and hasn't been below 63.3% in the 5 years since then.  Cam only has 4 seasons in his career above 60% and only 1 of those was above that 63.3% that Allen has been above for the last 5 years.

(not to mention, that one season Cam had above Allen's number, was his one full season with CMC as the main RB, when he had literally 1/3rd of Cam's completed passes, mostly on screens of course which naturally would have boosted Cam's completion percentages)

Yes, the Bills have done a better job at putting quality pieces around Allen than we did, but that still doesn't change that Allen has surpassed Cam as a QB at this point.

And that's not a knock on Cam, he's still going to be in the HOF, he's still going to be my QB for ever.

It's just appreciating what Allen has become and looking at it objectively.

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