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A Tankathon Approach to the remaining Schedule

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CamWhoaaCam Grand Master

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9 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Ugh, Jags winning in the end hurts as their SOS is so much worse than ours that it means we won't jump either them or the Titans today.

If the Giants and Raiders both end up winning today though, it screws up the draft SOOOOOOOO much.

Giants SOS is real strong, so they'll tumble way down the order and honestly might end up putting the Titans in a position to where they'll take one of the QBs, then the Giants and Raiders would be battling it out to give the best trade offer to someone else to move up in the draft for the other.

What's the best we can finish today?

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Just now, CamWhoaaCam said:

What's the best we can finish today?

Think 3rd was a possibility if Giants, Titans, Browns, Raiders all won... but also would come down to SOS as we came into the day tied with the Jets, no idea how that one would shake out with today's results.

Problem is the Jags are probably beating the Titans which keeps both of them ahead of us in the order

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4 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

I was only saying the Jags beating the Titans hurts us because it doesn't let us jump over either of them in the draft order.

The others were just comments about how for weeks it was assumed the Giants/Raiders would each be drafting 1-2 (or maybe one falls to 3rd) and would both take a QB.  If they both win today, it just screws up the draft from a general sense of how everyone was expecting it to play out, not from a Panthers standpoint.

If the Giants/Raiders both end up outside the Top 5 in the end, it opens up all sorts of possibilities, from big trades to maybe no QB going in the Top 5 at all and teams just draft who they want/need.

Yeah, Jags winning hurts because of their SOS unless they win next week which is possible. The Colts could be out and tank a week. Tennessee could also win next week. Pretty sure Houston is locked into the 4th seed after that shellacking so they could easily rest next week. Jax winning could be the best thing for us but I’d still rather know we leaped over at least one team for sure.

I’d love to also be in a potential spot to trade up. Beating Arizona really did hurt us draft wise. If NE beats a resting Buffalo next week, a 3-14 season likely gets us pick 1. Let’s hope we have some luck and games work out in our favor.

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7 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

His WR skills aside, I think he's too small to be a true elite WR in the NFL for a long time.

He's had injury issues in each year of school so far, partially because he already has the equivalent of 6 years of college ball on his body due to playing both ways for 3 seasons.

I just don't see him lasting in the more physical NFL with his frame, it's a big reason I think CB is his path to NFL success.

That has always been my big concern with him. All that two way play is a TON of mileage. 

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3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

That has always been my big concern with him. All that two way play is a TON of mileage. 

It's one of the many reasons he's not even on my draft board at all, there's just too many red flags with him for him to be worth the risk given the state of our franchise, we can't miss on this pick.

I think he's going to have injury issues, but I also think he's going to have massive diva problems, especially if he's not getting the offensive snaps he wants and the team is struggling to put up points.

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So it's starting to look like we'll be 6th if Miami beats Cleveland today, 5th if Cleveland wins (this is also if we keep the SOS advantage over the Jets who we're tied with, if today's results makes that go the other way, that's another pick we drop).

But we'd have been sitting in 2nd if we lost last week.

All those people excited about that win last week, are you still feeling all warm and fuzzy about that meaningless win?  Is it really going to keep you excited all offseason and into the draft when it might have cost us 4 spots in the draft?

If we had the 2nd pick, we'd have been in a perfect spot to trade back to pick up additional picks, something most people want to do.  If not, we'd have had our pick of better players at #2 as well.

Winning last week hurt our franchise more than it helped, it's really not hard to understand this concept late in the season.

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21 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Maybe less social media vids serving raccoon to the lockerroom and more time on a fuging JUGS machine.

 

If I was him, I get surgery the Monday after season ends and stop with the media bs and go dark. Surgery, heal, jugs. Don't show your face again until you and Bryce are throwing in the offseason 

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10 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

It's one of the many reasons he's not even on my draft board at all, there's just too many red flags with him for him to be worth the risk given the state of our franchise, we can't miss on this pick.

I think he's going to have injury issues, but I also think he's going to have massive diva problems, especially if he's not getting the offensive snaps he wants and the team is struggling to put up points.

I can't agree with that. I would take him in heartbeat. Talent level is too high. I also don't think he is gonna be a wild diva. He is a very hard working kid.

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11 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

So it's starting to look like we'll be 6th if Miami beats Cleveland today, 5th if Cleveland wins (this is also if we keep the SOS advantage over the Jets who we're tied with, if today's results makes that go the other way, that's another pick we drop).

But we'd have been sitting in 2nd if we lost last week.

All those people excited about that win last week, are you still feeling all warm and fuzzy about that meaningless win?  Is it really going to keep you excited all offseason and into the draft when it might have cost us 4 spots in the draft?

If we had the 2nd pick, we'd have been in a perfect spot to trade back to pick up additional picks, something most people want to do.  If not, we'd have had our pick of better players at #2 as well.

Winning last week hurt our franchise more than it helped, it's really not hard to understand this concept late in the season.

I'm never ever going to be mad about a win. If an FO can't make a team better because they slid a few spots regarding draft position, then they don't need to be in the NFL. There are just too many talented players every draft to miss (unless you just are clueless), and we need whatever talented new personnel that we can get. 

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2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I can't agree with that. I would take him in heartbeat. Talent level is too high. I also don't think he is gonna be a wild diva. He is a very hard working kid.

Most NFL divas are extremely hard workers as well, because you can't be a diva if you suck.

Being a hard worker, even being a good person, doesn't preclude someone from being a diva and a locker room cancer in the NFL.

He's made it VERY well known that he expects to be a full time two way player in the NFL.  That's just not happening, and when it doesn't happen, I think he's going to be a locker room problem.  Particularly when he's drafted by a bad team at the top of the draft and they very well could struggle on offense.

There have been way too many concerning things with him, even just playing for Deion wasn't good for him.  His HC has been a surrogate father figure and basically just a buddy of his, that's not happening in the NFL, I think it's going to create problems when he's treated like any other player.

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1 minute ago, tukafan21 said:

Most NFL divas are extremely hard workers as well, because you can't be a diva if you suck.

Being a hard worker, even being a good person, doesn't preclude someone from being a diva and a locker room cancer in the NFL.

He's made it VERY well known that he expects to be a full time two way player in the NFL.  That's just not happening, and when it doesn't happen, I think he's going to be a locker room problem.  Particularly when he's drafted by a bad team at the top of the draft and they very well could struggle on offense.

There have been way too many concerning things with him, even just playing for Deion wasn't good for him.  His HC has been a surrogate father figure and basically just a buddy of his, that's not happening in the NFL, I think it's going to create problems when he's treated like any other player.

We will see. I don't think he will end up being a locker room concern at all. I think he will be a guy that is actually loved ny teammates.

He is definitely #1 overall on my board.

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