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After opening drive TD, panthers went 3 and out 3 straight times

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44 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Also meanwhile the Kenny Pickett lead Eagles just dropped 41 points on the Cowboys.   The same Cowboys that throttled us.  I don't want to hear crap about our 'close losses' to good teams anymore.  People can't crow about how we ALMOST beat the Eagles and Chiefs then ignore the blowouts we suffer while teams that crush us get floor wiped by backup QBs, a bad one at that in the case of Pickett.

Yeah, it’s the Drew Lock, Kenny Pickett, etc types that really leave you with doubt.  With enough attempts, most QBs give some really good games.  Bryce despite all his starts….his really good games are just decent game management.   He never really shows any indication of a high ceiling play if you catch him on a good day.  

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3 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

It's almost like QB situations and surroundings matter 

but then you get the Drew Lock type games.  He isn’t in a great situation.  Weak team and they don’t even want to play him….

and even he can light it up on a random Sunday

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but then you get the Drew Lock type games.  He isn’t in a great situation.  Weak team and they don’t even want to play him….

and even he can light it up on a random Sunday

His oline is ordinary his weapons are not pretty ideal situation for a rookie QB if they can sure up the oline and grab a RB 

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10 minutes ago, BIGH2001 said:

It’s easy for a backup to look good for a game or two when there’s no film on them running that particular offense. Or sometimes a good game just happens. I‘m sure we all remember the beginning of Kyle Allen and Matt Moore. Everyone in the NFL is capable for the most part, even backup QBs. The difference is there’s no way they can sustain it over the course of a season, which is why they’re backups. There was growth in those games we played and almost won. 

Actual growth or just not sucking?  There is a distinction.  Being better than awful I guess is growth.  I consider growth actually beating good teams once in a while and taking care of business of bad teams routinely.  Almost beating a good team and losing to bad teams save three (even then barely) still doesn't do it for me. At this growth rate we might have a winning season in 2027....maybe.

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11 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Actual growth or just not sucking?  There is a distinction.  Being better than awful I guess is growth.  I consider growth actually beating good teams once in a while and taking care of business of bad teams routinely.  Almost beating a good team and losing to bad teams save three (even then barely) still doesn't do it for me. At this growth rate we might have a winning season in 2027....maybe.

Bryce has 27 starts and counting….never hit 300 yards passing.   Never hit a 3 TD pass day.  

His pass production is like that of a running QBs minus all the ground production that compliments it. 

he just never has shown a glimpse of much at all.  We are now celebrating functional.  Hope he continues to improve as he will be the guy next year…..but you really have to keep the expectations down as he just doesn’t seem to have much of a ceiling at this level 

 

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11 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Actual growth or just not sucking?  There is a distinction.  Being better than awful I guess is growth.  I consider growth actually beating good teams once in a while and taking care of business of bad teams routinely.  Almost beating a good team and losing to bad teams save three (even then barely) still doesn't do it for me. At this growth rate we might have a winning season in 2027....maybe.

It remains to be seen. I’ve witnessed enough to at least be optimistic but we have to do something about the defense in the offseason. If that gets fixed I think we have a shot to at least contend in the division next year barring key injuries. 

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20 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

It's almost like QB situations and surroundings matter 

They're so goofy with some of these takes. They don't realize what they're even saying. Eagles have Smith and AJ, not to mention the threat of Barkley (2000 yards on the season with another game to go). 

I didn't pay alot of attention to that game but I'm sure those guys bailed their QB out most of the game.

I did watch the Giants though. Lock's first TD was like a 40 yards screen to Nabers. His second was a 10 yards pass to Slayton and he broke it for like 40 yards. His third TD came after Nabers caught the same underthrown deep ball that some are saying was impossible for our 1st round receiver to come back and catch. That put them inside the 10 yard line for an easy throw to a wide open receiver. His 4th was a 5 yards pass to Nabers that he broke for like 50 up the side line. Meanwhile Carolina receivers going down where they catch the ball.

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5 minutes ago, CRA said:

Bryce has 27 starts and counting….never hit 300 yards passing.   Never hit a 3 TD pass day.  

His pass production is like that of a running QBs minus all the ground production that compliments it. 

he just never has shown a glimpse of much at all.  We are now celebrating functional.  Hope he continues to improve as he will be the guy next year…..but you really have to keep the expectations down as he just doesn’t seem to have much of a ceiling at this level 

 

You just keep going on and on about Bryce as if he isn't going to be the QB for the foreseeable future. Aint no help walking in to the locker room. This is the dinner we have 

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1 minute ago, Navy_football said:

They're so goofy with some of these takes. They don't realize what they're even saying. Eagles have Smith and AJ, not to mention the threat of Barkley (2000 yards on the season with another game to go). 

I didn't pay alot of attention to that game but I'm sure those guys bailed their QB out most of the game.

I did watch the Giants though. Lock's first TD was like a 40 yards screen to Nabers. His second was a 10 yards pass to Slayton and he broke it for like 40 yards. His third TD came after Nabers caught the same underthrown deep ball that some are saying was impossible for our 1st round receiver to come back and catch. That put them inside the 10 yard line for an easy throw to a wide open receiver. His 4th was a 5 yards pass to Nabers that he broke for like 50 up the side line. Meanwhile Carolina receivers going down where they catch the ball.

Hell Nick Foles won a Super Bowl. So did Jeff Hostetler and Brad Johnson. And I would guess it had a lot more to do with the team surrounding them than it did all-world QB play. 

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1 minute ago, countryboi said:

You just keep going on and on about Bryce as if he isn't going to be the QB for the foreseeable future. Aint no help walking in to the locker room. This is the dinner we have 

Literally in the post you quoted it states I hope he continues to improve as he will be the dude next year.  

I’m just saying he likely is close to hitting his head on the ceiling so might as well be realistic in how we talk going forward.  Going to need a lot of defense to make this team worth watching.  We need to go all in on D 

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Literally in the post you quoted it states I hope he continues to improve as he will be the dude next year.  

I’m just saying he likely is close to hitting his head on the ceiling so might as well be realistic in how we talk going forward.  Going to need a lot of defense to make this team worth watching.  We need to go all in on D 

Yeah, and I'm saying you complain week after week, and nothing is going to change. What do you want us to say?

I want Bryce to either fail or play great. which ever will make you stop.

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8 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

They're so goofy with some of these takes. They don't realize what they're even saying. Eagles have Smith and AJ, not to mention the threat of Barkley (2000 yards on the season with another game to go). 

I didn't pay alot of attention to that game but I'm sure those guys bailed their QB out most of the game.

I did watch the Giants though. Lock's first TD was like a 40 yards screen to Nabers. His second was a 10 yards pass to Slayton and he broke it for like 40 yards. His third TD came after Nabers caught the same underthrown deep ball that some are saying was impossible for our 1st round receiver to come back and catch. That put them inside the 10 yard line for an easy throw to a wide open receiver. His 4th was a 5 yards pass to Nabers that he broke for like 50 up the side line. Meanwhile Carolina receivers going down where they catch the ball.

I'm sure that if you put Young on the Eagles he could have produced the same results or better. 

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    • PootieNunu
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      By PootieNunu · Posted

      We have seen Bryce get outplayed by all manner of QBs, from UDFAs to second round picks.  If we actually scouted any QBs it would not be a difficult task to upgrade from Bryce, you guys act like he is even decent. He is one of the worst starters league wide stop making excuses.   
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      if  ANYONE actually goes & looks at the FACTS on rookie Qb's after 2 full seasons as a starter in the NFL & they are still well below average do they rarely ever actually become top tier Qb's & instead most likely either do not recieve a second contract & or become life long backups...just saying 
    • SmokinwithWilly
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      By SmokinwithWilly · Posted

      So he became GM and decided not to address the weakness in the QB room following one of the worst rookie QB performances in NFL history?  There were options last season other than signing Dalton to a 2 year deal. Brissett and Jones by a wide margin, both of whom outplayed Bryce, Wilson, Winston, hell even Rivers off the couch was more exciting at the QB position. The time to address the failure in the QB room was last year but instead people on the Huddle cheered when we brought Dalton back then cheered when we were able to get anything for him after they finally realized he was washed up like a few of had been saying all along and got poo'd for even mentioning.  This year, the options were more limited obviously, especially since we lost Icky. It changed the dynamic of our draft. I think we were stuck this year keeping Bryce, but i still think giving him a 5th year option for what has amounted to replacement worthy performance was the wrong move. Why guarantee 25m if you're planning to replace him? You think he's going to want to be a bridge QB? Hell no. He's going to want out and we'll end up cutting him if he has another lackluster season because no one is trading for him with that price tag.  Were there better options as far as production available. A couple. Were there guys available with more physical tools than Bryce, Pickett or Grier, you damn well better believe there were. I've been saying all along, you always keep looking for your 1b. Bryce has yet to prove he can be a starter. Keep looking for someone who may. Put competition in camp. Let the best QB lead the team. Stop settling for less than mediocre. 
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