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Do you think we have a top 10 QB now?

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42 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Spending the money it will take to sign Higgins, on a WR with a shaky injury history, instead of spending it on the defense that just gave up the most points in NFL history, would be an epically bad decision.  

Yes, I've been a loud proponent of drafting T-Mac if available, but this has nothing to do with that.

Even if we use our 1st on a defensive player, our cap room should be entirely spent on the defensive side of the ball.  There are always good defensive players in FA because teams use their cap space to lock up offensive guys first, and they're more ready to help our defense than any rookies would be anyways.

For what it would take to sign Higgins, we could add 2 or 3 starters on defense, with at least one of them being a big splash signing.  

To get him to come here, it's going to take Top 5 WR money, in no way is he worth that in a vacuum, let along once you factor in our defensive issues.

Yeah, Higgins feels like a big risk and it increasingly feels like he won't be available anyway. Burrow is barking for him and he's publicly talking about being willing to take less to stay with the Bengals. I don't think he hits FA. But I do think his agent is gonna tell him to STFU with that willingness to take less talk. LOL

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Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, Higgins feels like a big risk and it increasingly feels like he won't be available anyway. Burrow is barking for him and he's publicly talking about being willing to take less to stay with the Bengals. I don't think he hits FA. But I do think his agent is gonna tell him to STFU with that willingness to take less talk. LOL

Even if he hits the market, he's the only good WR under 30 on the market (Diggs, Cooper, Hopkins, Adams and a few other older guys will be out there), so if he's going to sign with a bad team, he's going to force them to way over pay for what he is.

He's a mid to low end #1, he's not a Top 10 type of guy, but you're going to have to give him Top 5 money, it's just not worth it even before his injury history is factored in.

Even if he doesn't stay in Cincinnati, I could see him going to somewhere like the Chargers for less money than others would offer.  Put him in an offense with Herbert and Ladd in the slot, they could be dangerous.

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5 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Even if he hits the market, he's the only good WR under 30 on the market (Diggs, Cooper, Hopkins, Adams and a few other older guys will be out there), so if he's going to sign with a bad team, he's going to force them to way over pay for what he is.

He's a mid to low end #1, he's not a Top 10 type of guy, but you're going to have to give him Top 5 money, it's just not worth it even before his injury history is factored in.

Even if he doesn't stay in Cincinnati, I could see him going to somewhere like the Chargers for less money than others would offer.  Put him in an offense with Herbert and Ladd in the slot, they could be dangerous.

Yeah, this upcoming WR FA class looks super trash. Take away Higgins and there might not be a legit starter under 30 available.

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12 minutes ago, Luciu5 said:

JFC dude. How many QBs have a career game every week? I mean, Bryce has had a few career games over the last stretch, though this one probably won't be surpassed by him in a bit. I mean if you are expecting 5 TDs from a QB to happen every other game or something, then no poo you are going to be disappointed.

Did you not read that these career bests happen for a majority of QBs 1 to 2 times in their career? Top 10 championship caliber QBs get 1 or 2 per season.

As for you claiming career games, let's set the standard at 3+ TDs or 300+ yard and 2 TDs. Setting the bar low for Bryce is ridiculous, because back up QBs can do what Bryce does. Bryce has 4 in 2 seasons. I expect 6 minimum in 1 season. That's between Kyle Allen with 4 and Beuerlein with 8. QBs that can make it to a conference championship game consistently produce 10+ (these are the QBs you can build a dyansty around). Nick Foles was capable of doing 1 of every 2 games in a season like Beuerlein.

Now you know. Maybe adjust your lowered expectations?

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7 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

Did you not read that these career bests happen for a majority of QBs 1 to 2 times in their career? Top 10 championship caliber QBs get 1 or 2 per season.

As for you claiming career games, let's set the standard at 3+ TDs or 300+ yard and 2 TDs. Setting the bar low for Bryce is ridiculous, because back up QBs can do what Bryce does. Bryce has 4 in 2 seasons. I expect 6 minimum in 1 season. That's between Kyle Allen with 4 and Beuerlein with 8. QBs that can make it to a conference championship game consistently produce 10+ (these are the QBs you can build a dyansty around). Nick Foles was capable of doing 1 of every 2 games in a season like Beuerlein.

Now you know. Maybe adjust your lowered expectations?

Why stop there since you are making up stats? Let’s go with something really unattainable. 600 yards and 7 TDs every game or you’re just backup level. 

 

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3 hours ago, BIGH2001 said:

Why stop there since you are making up stats? Let’s go with something really unattainable. 600 yards and 7 TDs every game or you’re just backup level. 

 

352 pass yards (67%) , 5 pass TDs

332 pass yards (68%), 4 pass TDs

308 pass yards (65%), 4 pass TDs

336 pass yards (63%), 4 total TDs pass TDs

I mean, that's a dude that started 12 games his rookie year.   

 

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34 minutes ago, CRA said:

352 pass yards (67%) , 5 pass TDs

332 pass yards (68%), 4 pass TDs

308 pass yards (65%), 4 pass TDs

336 pass yards (63%), 4 total TDs pass TDs

I mean, that's a dude that started 12 games his rookie year.   

 

Who are you talking about?

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22 minutes ago, BIGH2001 said:

Who are you talking about?

Point is, it's not far fetched lunacy to expect young QBs that play to give you some big time games over the course of time if they get lot of opportunity.  Good QBs do it.  Middle of the road QBs do it.  Even bad QBs eventually have big games if given enough opportunity. 

all the games ultimately matter when you are evaluating a QB.  Team wanted that guy posted above to be THE guy.   I mean, if you cherry pick his young start vs Bryce's young start....he is a GOAT.  Doing what Bryce did Sunday over and over in a smaller window.

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44 minutes ago, CRA said:

352 pass yards (67%) , 5 pass TDs

332 pass yards (68%), 4 pass TDs

308 pass yards (65%), 4 pass TDs

336 pass yards (63%), 4 total TDs pass TDs

I mean, that's a dude that started 12 games his rookie year.   

 

The Bryce fans don't want to accept standards or base lines. They won't even grade him on a curve of the past 3 QB draft classes or the entire 2024 starting field.

They hold other QBs to a higher standard than Bryce. I expect 2 more years of this with fans waiting for 2 to 3 good games a season to hope he can be a franchise QB the following season.

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10 minutes ago, CRA said:

Point is, it's not far fetched lunacy to expect young QBs that play to give you some big time games over the course of time if they get lot of opportunity.  Good QBs do it.  Middle of the road QBs do it.  Even bad QBs eventually have big games if given enough opportunity. 

all the games ultimately matter when you are evaluating a QB.  Team wanted that guy posted above to be THE guy.   I mean, if you cherry pick his young start vs Bryce's young start....he is a GOAT.  Doing what Bryce did Sunday over and over in a smaller window.

Whose stat line are you referencing or are you just making something up?

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2 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Nah. It's only been like, 10 games of decent to good play so far.

Trending upward, but roughly 20 or so. Good enough to be the starter next year and give us hope he can still improve.

Let's see how next season goes.

That's all that needs to be said.  Credit him for pounding the dogshit falcons.   That coaching staff was clueless and I suspect their players had enough of their ineptitude 

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