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If Graham is gone, fo you take Carter?

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kungfoodude Grand Master

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3 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I think that is really premature to say.   Lots of question marks with him.   He is not strong vs the run,  just more of a speed rusher then anything and his technique and tackling need improvement.

 

That said if he comes to the combine and goes for a 4.4 at 6'2ish 250+ then someone in the top 5 will draft on that alone.  Id rather have tmac or graham.   Those are plug and play guys from day 1.

Ask yourself if Carter is a better prospect coming out than Burns? IMO, he is not.

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26 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

A ball hawking safety; not an in-the-box safety.  Great hands, but not overly aggressive given chase and definitely doesn't pop when tackling. He strikes me as corner.

We are definitely watching different guys. As a sophomore he was the only P5 safety that graded as a top 5 pass defender and a top 5 run defender.

And he’s definitely physical. The tape doesn’t lie. Any scouting report that says otherwise isn’t accurate.

Also if we keep Evero which it looks like we are, the secondary needs to be elite. Evero’s defense is built on having an elite secondary.

In 2022 the Broncos had a top 10 mark in expected points allowed per play. EPA loves long passes and the Broncos secondary was elite and kept everything in front of them which allows credence to the belief that Evero’s defense is truly a bend but don’t break defense that relies on elite secondary play.

Additionally, in 2022 the Broncos had a 91.2 coverage grade which was the best in the NFL and they also were top 10 in completion percentage allowed and touchdowns allowed.

The secondary needs more than Jaycee Horn to be successful.

There’s all this talk of needing an elite front seven with Evero and that’s simply not true. Evero had Bradley Chubb and a bunch of average front seven players playing at a high level because the Broncos secondary was elite.

If the Panthers defense doesn’t have an elite secondary then they will struggle again.

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41 minutes ago, Shocker said:

Taking a safety in the top 10?  No way I would do that, unless he is Sean Taylor or Ed Reed which Starks isn’t.  We would be lucky if Carter lasts to #8.  There are the two Georgia edge guys to fall back on if he is gone 

This is the type of thinking that keeps teams in the basement. The Ravens were obliterated for taking Kyle Hamilton because who takes a safety in the top 15? Well the Ravens did and they got an elite playmaker and one of if not the best safety in the game.

Not to mention, safety is a relative safe position to draft high. All the top safeties are first or second round picks.

The Panthers can’t afford to keep striking out on first round picks and Starks would be an impact starter from day one, you can’t say that about any of the EDGE’s in this draft.

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4 hours ago, KaijuGato said:

Don’t reach. Get BPA on the board and get outta round 1 with an immediate starter. There are space eaters (DL) in round 2, Deone Walker and Kenneth Grant. 

one is the top DT in the draft and the other is the top DE in the draft

no possibility to reach for either of them

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interior dline might be the deepest position this year. I would love for someone to covet Milroe and allow us to trade back. Hell we could trade pretty far back.

 

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INTERIOR DEFENDER: GREAT

Michigan’s Mason Graham, who would have been the first defensive tackle off the board in the 2024 class, leads this year's strong interior defender group. After that, Omarr Norman-Lott, Kenneth Grant and Tyleik Williams are first-round talents, and Walter Nolen, T.J. Sanders, Dontay Corleone and Deone Walker are all firmly in the top-50 conversation. Oregon's Derrick Harmon is a big riser, too.

It feels like one of the deeper defensive tackle groups over the past five years. It's a good year for NFL teams with a need for the position.

 

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1 hour ago, MillionDollarCam said:

This is the type of thinking that keeps teams in the basement. The Ravens were obliterated for taking Kyle Hamilton because who takes a safety in the top 15? Well the Ravens did and they got an elite playmaker and one of if not the best safety in the game.

Not to mention, safety is a relative safe position to draft high. All the top safeties are first or second round picks.

The Panthers can’t afford to keep striking out on first round picks and Starks would be an impact starter from day one, you can’t say that about any of the EDGE’s in this draft.

Minkah and Derwin went 11th and 17th

Starks belong in with all these guys like Hamilton, Minkah and Derwin

They’re all very good athletes with high football IQ’s

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1 hour ago, MillionDollarCam said:

This is the type of thinking that keeps teams in the basement. The Ravens were obliterated for taking Kyle Hamilton because who takes a safety in the top 15? Well the Ravens did and they got an elite playmaker and one of if not the best safety in the game.

Not to mention, safety is a relative safe position to draft high. All the top safeties are first or second round picks.

The Panthers can’t afford to keep striking out on first round picks and Starks would be an impact starter from day one, you can’t say that about any of the EDGE’s in this draft.

Thats fine but I do think Hamilton was better than Starks and he didn’t go top 10.  I do see your point just don’t agree.  No worries

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6 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We have enough needs on the roster that I just want to take the evaluated best talent available, period. We have too many needs to be reaching. If Carter is there and our staff really likes him then let's go.

Yes that is where we are right now.

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