Tyler Warren

[Tr3ach]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

his stats:   

Shockey had a combined 248 catches, 3000 yards and 17 tds his first 4 years.

 

He never had a 100 yeard season and never had double digit tds

 

Rookie year stats:  If thats all pro then sure

GP	GS	Rec	Yds	Avg	Lng	TD

5

14

74

894

12.1

30

2

 

If you think that is first round worthy then we have to agree to disagree

To be fair, that's double the yards legette had.

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, Tr3ach said:

To be fair, that's double the yards legette had.

not sure of your point but cool, I wanted Ladd

[Waldo]

11 minutes ago, Icege said:

What games did you feel stuck out poorly on film? He looked like a man amongst boys vs. USC and Purdue and was clearly the best player on the Penn State offense in the postseason.

Yes his size is impressive and he looks solid which is good. He doesn't look like a freak and the NFL has tons of freaks. 

I don't care about the games. I just look at the film. Being the best player at Penn state means nothing in the NFL, it's just supporting info in the draft process. If he isn't going to be playing for for CFB coaches and agaisnt CFB players it's a moot point. He is big and he should be good in the NFL but comparing him to Bowers or saying he is a better prospect is not something I can agree with from what I have seen. 

[jayboogieman]

12 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

thats not true,  you have to play the odds and the odds say te's are bottom of the barrel in busting relative to where they were picked

 

We just did this, in 24 years 24 have been picked in the first round, in your opinion who was worthy?

You know, I'm torn on how to do this post, so I'll go with both options. Up first:

We've done it!

And second:

Are you coping well enough?

Now on to the rest of the post.

We've successfully moved at least some of mrcompletely11's disdain and hatred from

to the idea of Warren at #8. Take a bow fellas

Edited February 26 by jayboogieman

[ncfan]

7 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

his stats:   

Shockey had a combined 248 catches, 3000 yards and 17 tds his first 4 years.

 

He never had a 1000 yard season and never had double digit tds

 

Rookie year stats:  If thats all pro then sure

GP	GS	Rec	Yds	Avg	Lng	TD

5

14

74

894

12.1

30

2

 

If you think that is first round worthy then we have to agree to disagree

“never had 1k yard season”

 

 

Go look at the receiving stats from the TEs around that time period.

 

Antonio Gates who is about to go in the HOF only had 2 1k seasons out of 15 seasons.

they weren’t airing it out like today.  If he played in todays game where guys are attempting 40 passing  vs 25 back then when they were more focused on RBs and the run game.

 

There is a reason he was 1st team all-pro

Edited February 26 by ncfan

[jayboogieman]

2 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Yes his size is impressive and he looks solid which is good. He doesn't look like a freak and the NFL has tons of freaks. 

I don't care about the games. I just look at the film. Being the best player at Penn state means nothing in the NFL, it's just supporting info in the draft process. If he isn't going to be playing for for CFB coaches and agaisnt CFB players it's a moot point. He is big and he should be good in the NFL but comparing him to Bowers or saying he is a better prospect is not something I can agree with from what I have seen. 

You've fallen into the trap. You're looking for an athlete and not a football player.

Warren has improved every year in college and can play the game and produce at a high level. That's all you can really ask for from a prospect.

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Go look at the receiving stats from the TEs around that time period.

they weren’t airing it out like today.  If he played in todays game where guys are attempting 40 passing  vs 25 back then when they were more focused on RBs and the run game.

 

There is a reason he was 1st team all-pro

passing attempts 2002 = 33

passing attempts 2024 = 32

[ncfan]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

passing attempts 2002 = 33

passing attempts 2024 = 32

“He didn’t have a 1k yard Season”

 

Up coming HOF TE Antonio Gates had 2 1 Thousand yard seasons out of 15.

 

TE’s weren’t utilized like today as much in the passing game despite their ability 

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, ncfan said:

“He didn’t have a 1k yard Season”

 

Up coming HOF TE Antonio Gates had 2 1 Thousand yard seasons out of 15.

 

TE’s weren’t utilized like today as much in the passing game despite their ability 

dont move the goalposts, first you say the attempts per game were 40 vs 25 (wrong) now you want to focus on the tight ends.

 

I mean you guys can simply ignore the stats/data all you want but its patently clear taking a te in the first is a fools errand and taking one in the top 10 is sheer insanity which should lead to immediate termination

 

If you think he is a unicorn cool let some other team gamble with a less then 10% hit rate

[Icege]

10 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Yes his size is impressive and he looks solid which is good. He doesn't look like a freak and the NFL has tons of freaks. 

I don't care about the games. I just look at the film. Being the best player at Penn state means nothing in the NFL, it's just supporting info in the draft process. If he isn't going to be playing for for CFB coaches and agaisnt CFB players it's a moot point. He is big and he should be good in the NFL but comparing him to Bowers or saying he is a better prospect is not something I can agree with from what I have seen. 

Little confused here. I get that you recognize his size, but I don't understand the comment about not caring about the games and only the film. The games ARE the film. Are you going based off of his highlights? Completely fair as we are just armchair GMs that might only have time for a 5min reel while using the bathroom.

[kungfoodude]

It would be a very Panthers move to take a super deep position with questionable elite talent in the top 10.

[Waldo]

7 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

You've fallen into the trap. You're looking for an athlete and not a football player.

Warren has improved every year in college and can play the game and produce at a high level. That's all you can really ask for from a prospect.

No Bowers looks like the better athlete and player. It's not just physical, even if i did compare those aspects. I called Bowers a freak. He is a playmaker. Warren reminds me of Legette where people were gushing over him and brushing the body catches and lack of agility as issues when transitioning to the NFL. I think you have fallen into the trap that school ball is close to NFL ball where they might as well be different games.

[Waldo]

1 minute ago, Icege said:

Little confused here. I get that you recognize his size, but I don't understand the comment about not caring about the games and only the film. The games ARE the film. Are you going based off of his highlights? Completely fair as we are just armchair GMs that might only have time for a 5min reel while using the bathroom.

No the games are the coaches, players and situation. The film is looking at the prospect and then seeing g if those things add value to an assessment. I don't even look at their records because it usually doesn't matter. The games are more than film, they are a bunch of stuff going on and lots of it doesn't matter anymore once they are drafted.

[ncfan]

10 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

dont move the goalposts, first you say the attempts per game were 40 vs 25 (wrong) now you want to focus on the tight ends.

 

I mean you guys can simply ignore the stats/data all you want but its patently clear taking a te in the first is a fools errand and taking one in the top 10 is sheer insanity which should lead to immediate termination

 

If you think he is a unicorn cool let some other team gamble with a less then 10% hit rate

I simply answered you initial statement that he didn’t do anything his first 4 years.

when he made 1st team all pro in his first year (which all-pro isn’t some fan vote Gimik) Over guys like Gates etc.

So yes

He did do something his first 4 seasons.

if you can get a 1st team all-pro rookie year with your top 10 pick.  I’d say it was worth it.

Edited February 26 by ncfan