Anyone Seen the ESPN Projection Guide? *Spoiler* Panthers Suck

[kungfoodude]

4 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I think after this round of Free Agency our vegas win total should be about 8-8.5.   No reason we shouldnt break that number in 2025.   A part of me wonders if heads will roll if we come in around 5 or less this year?

I would say 5.5-6.5 is probably a more reasonable expectation for range. We genuinely didn't improve much on paper. We IMPROVED, which sadly is not always a given during our recent offseasons. 

[Waldo]

17 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I would say 5.5-6.5 is probably a more reasonable expectation for range. We genuinely didn't improve much on paper. We IMPROVED, which sadly is not always a given during our recent offseasons. 

Yeah and I don't see anyone in the draft that 'buys wins' next year either. Lots of guys that buy them the luxury to not have to go overpay in free agency every year.

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Yeah and I don't see anyone in the draft that 'buys wins' next year either. Lots of guys that buy them the luxury to not have to go overpay in free agency every year.

I am going off of the schedule, bryce progression, d brown back, corners back, solid depth on both lines.  That has to be 8 wins IMO

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Waldo said:

Yeah and I don't see anyone in the draft that 'buys wins' next year either. Lots of guys that buy them the luxury to not have to go overpay in free agency every year.

Do a great job in the draft and we might get a win or two extra and I mean a GREAT job. Mostly it would just fit with the plan to get younger and get more competitive. Start finally building depth outside the OL and extend that to the rest of the roster. Start finally getting some average or above NFL starters. 

If we can move those goals appreciably forward, then it is a overall net positive. People are just setting themselves up for massive disappointment with the thoughts of winning records, playoff berths, etc. 

This is a straight up from the foundation building effort, it's just going to take time, effort, patience and above all, competence. So, strap in, it's gonna be a wild ride.

 

 

Side note: I still am pursuing a sports book that will let me make a 4-5 figure wager with acceptable odds that the Panthers will not have a winning record before the 2030 NFL season. So that's how I actually think this is all gonna go down.

[Waldo]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I am going off of the schedule, bryce progression, d brown back, corners back, solid depth on both lines.  That has to be 8 wins IMO

I can't belive more than 7 until I see it. This team was going to take the nfcs last year after the first week of free agency around here. Lots of guys on this roster that have a lot to prove, entire organization really. Morgan likes projects and to project but his hit rate hasn't been great to date. We got 7 wins while firing Rhule midway through a season. That wasn't a good team either but it's better than last year IMO even if it faceplants for any of the various possible reasons.

[Waldo]

34 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Do a great job in the draft and we might get a win or two extra and I mean a GREAT job. Mostly it would just fit with the plan to get younger and get more competitive. Start finally building depth outside the OL and extend that to the rest of the roster. Start finally getting some average or above NFL starters. 

If we can move those goals appreciably forward, then it is a overall net positive. People are just setting themselves up for massive disappointment with the thoughts of winning records, playoff berths, etc. 

This is a straight up from the foundation building effort, it's just going to take time, effort, patience and above all, competence. So, strap in, it's gonna be a wild ride.

 

 

Side note: I still am pursuing a sports book that will let me make a 4-5 figure wager with acceptable odds that the Panthers will not have a winning record before the 2030 NFL season. So that's how I actually think this is all gonna go down.

First, that last part damnnnnnnn. Lol

This draft screams solid but boring. That's great long term but like playing Wallace last year it's not likely to pay huge quickly if ever. Given our history I'd bet against it just on the odds.

I just need to see more. 7 wins seems fair and attainable at this point and I don't see how this draft changes much.

[Luciu5]

That's odd. They are projecting BY to have 3 rushing TD's in 15 games (really?) and AD to have 0 for a total of 4 rushing TD's by QB's.

[csx]

It's clearly some AI BS. It updates every few days. Mike Clay isn't doing projections for every team every other day.

Take a look at last years to see how little it matters.

Edited March 12, 2025 by csx

[tukafan21]

42 minutes ago, Luciu5 said:

That's odd. They are projecting BY to have 3 rushing TD's in 15 games (really?) and AD to have 0 for a total of 4 rushing TD's by QB's.

Without looking at it and really only going off seeing your post, odds are their projections had something like 3.4 TDs for Bryce and 0.3 for Dalton, which when you round separately go to 3 and 0, but when you combine them, it then gets rounded up to 4.

[Jackofalltrades]

That's a lot of work to pour into arbitrary speculation.