Panthers Top 15 Paid Players at Position

[jayboogieman]

6 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

taken the 2 1sts from the rams.

And the second. Talk about an all time blunder. Fitt should have been fired just as soon as he turned down that offer.

[PantherChris]

2 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

I thought that last year when we invested so heavily in guards. I was wrong because they sure made a difference.

Hubbard and Brown seem to be worth the money or possibly even bargains.

And Horn, that was a lot of money there, but it probably is just resetting the marketplace and he'll be down the list in the next few weeks. Still, I'm wondering about the balance between the impact he made last season and his availability through his career. It's a roll of the dice and I'm not sure how much is guaranteed. 

 

Glad to see you admit it, I was all for it and pointed it out repeatedly! Lol Last years investment will be even better this year with a season playing together under their belts.

[jayboogieman]

4 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Still, I'm wondering about the balance between the impact he made last season and his availability through his career.

He showed up in a contract year when he hasn't before. I'm sure getting paid won't be the lure to playing as much as is hoped. He's going to go back to doing what he's done his whole career.

[PantherChris]

1 minute ago, jayboogieman said:

And the second. Talk about an all time blunder. Fitt should have been fired just as soon as he turned down that offer.

Agreed. Although I would have sent Burns instead of Moore....  I don't understand sending the second best receiver your franchise has ever drafted when your taking a rookie QB.

[jayboogieman]

1 minute ago, PantherChris said:

Agreed. Although I would have sent Burns instead of Moore....  I don't understand sending the second best receiver your franchise has ever drafted when your taking a rookie QB.

Yeah, that was dumb too, especially with how bare the WR closet was behind Moore.

[kungfoodude]

18 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

I thought that last year when we invested so heavily in guards. I was wrong because they sure made a difference.

Hubbard and Brown seem to be worth the money or possibly even bargains.

And Horn, that was a lot of money there, but it probably is just resetting the marketplace and he'll be down the list in the next few weeks. Still, I'm wondering about the balance between the impact he made last season and his availability through his career. It's a roll of the dice and I'm not sure how much is guaranteed. 

 

I don't think you will see a CB eclipse that until maybe next offseason. I don't believe there are any imminent deals for guys on rookie deals. The FA market does not have anyone that should be getting anywhere near that.

[kungfoodude]

21 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

One has to wonder what happens if our win total is around 5-6 

I see no reason why that wouldn't generally be the range of expected wins. Say 5-7.

I think that is well within what we should be expecting as of today. The draft or further roster moves may move that line but I would like to hear the justification for this roster suddenly being massively better. 

[kornicova]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, the Horn deal is bananas. He is genuinely not a top 10 player at his position, even when healthy. They are paying him for future performance and, TBH, I don't see it going well.

I just don't think we had any option. He was our only homegrown guy that is an above average starter (other than DBrown). We have to keep that kind of talent around even if it is expensive. 

I get that it is a lot to pay a guy who has been barely healthy. But I much prefer the idea of paying someone for future performance rather than past performance. So many guys in FA get paid based on a good season or two in a specific situation. Horn played pretty well despite being in an historically bad defense. If we can generate a little more pressure and stop the run better this may look like a good deal in a couple of years (provided he stays healthy). 

[t96]

1 hour ago, Admiral Ackbar said:

The only player's contract I have a problem with is Horn. Time will tell with Moehrig. All others are justified or deserving IMO

In a vacuum each of the guard contacts is fine and don't get me wrong I love investing in OL and DL, but I'm not really a fan of paying 2 guards big $. Pay your tackle(s), go younger/cheaper on the interior. But otherwise generally agree 

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, kornicova said:

I just don't think we had any option. He was our only homegrown guy that is an above average starter (other than DBrown). We have to keep that kind of talent around even if it is expensive. 

I get that it is a lot to pay a guy who has been barely healthy. But I much prefer the idea of paying someone for future performance rather than past performance. So many guys in FA get paid based on a good season or two in a specific situation. Horn played pretty well despite being in an historically bad defense. If we can generate a little more pressure and stop the run better this may look like a good deal in a couple of years (provided he stays healthy). 

We did have an option(trade) but I do get that replacement is basically draft or nothing. 

I agree we criminally overpay on past performance(see CMC deal as a result example) but I don't know that gambling on quite literally the highest DB contract in NFL history is a good idea. Especially because of those healthy issues. Even more so because....he really hasn't consistently been elite.

I love the player and I absolutely want to keep him around but the money is going to make that pretty difficult. If he spends the next two seasons dinged up again, he's probably literally going to be a cap casualty with no real compensation at all.

It's just way more in the freewheel gambling realm than I am comfortable with.

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, t96 said:

In a vacuum each of the guard contacts is fine and don't get me wrong I love investing in OL and DL, but I'm not really a fan of paying 2 guards big $. Pay your tackle(s), go younger/cheaper on the interior. But otherwise generally agree 

Or at least make the OG's be "homegrown" guys so that actual average compensation is at least offsef by a rookie deal. 

Two massive FA deals still seems like an unwise long term financial move.

But, you can't question their impact to the OL. It has been night and day.

[CanadianCat]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, the Horn deal is bananas. He is genuinely not a top 10 player at his position, even when healthy. They are paying him for future performance and, TBH, I don't see it going well.

 

Ok but is the alternative? He is not going to sign for a lesser contract, so then do you release him?

We did that with Burns... see how that is working out. You can save the cap but you still need to replace the player. You can argue that we should have be preparing to replace Horn when his deal came up but we dealt those picks to get a QB. 

Im curious to know how you would have handled it differently..

[Jon Snow]

30 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I see no reason why that wouldn't generally be the range of expected wins. Say 5-7.

I think that is well within what we should be expecting as of today. The draft or further roster moves may move that line but I would like to hear the justification for this roster suddenly being massively better. 

Vegas will tell you what to expect from the Panthers.  Check the line around minicamp to see what it is.

[PNW_PantherMan]

6 minutes ago, CanadianCat said:

 

Ok but is the alternative? He is not going to sign for a lesser contract, so then do you release him?

We did that with Burns... see how that is working out. You can save the cap but you still need to replace the player. You can argue that we should have be preparing to replace Horn when his deal came up but we dealt those picks to get a QB. 

Im curious to know how you would have handled it differently..

If only there were some mechanism for exchanging players for draft picks.