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I got to thinking, when was the last time you...

a) watched a game and when it was over, you said that was a pretty impressive coaching job by Fox

B) when was the last you watched a game and thought Fox was a key part of why we lost

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a) He put some great game plans together during the 2005 season (Giants and Bears playoff games come to mind)

B) Multiple times

His clock management and back off defensive style has cost us plenty of games over the last couple years. The gamble lateral game against Minnesota was terrible, the abandonment of the run against Arizona in the playoffs, The saints game "in" New Orleans last year.

I don't really blame him for any loss this season. The poor time managmenet in the saints game was more a reflection of a rookie qb than bad coaching

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for me

a) 2004 against SF. That was the last game his actual coaching really jumped out and grabbed me. I knew what he did was the difference maker. We have had some other nice wins but the talent imo gets a large share and Fox pretty much sailed through those wins...sticking w/ his script and the talent pulling it out.

B) just about every loss w/ the exception of a few in 2009.

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for me

a) 2004 against SF. That was the last game his actual coaching really jumped out and grabbed me. I knew what he did was the difference maker. We have had some other nice wins but the talent imo gets a large share and Fox pretty much sailed through those wins...sticking w/ his script and the talent pulling it out.

B) just about every loss w/ the exception of a few in 2009.

Most people will agree with you that Fox has run his course here and that what he does doesn't work anymore.

How many fuging times can you run the ball up the middle like he does and expect magic to happen?

I don't care what you label yourself, "run team", put in some diversity Jesus Christ man.

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And how many times can we beat this dead horse?

We get it, people. John Fox sucks. He's stubborn, standoffish, and unwilling to change.

Here's a better question:

When was the last time someone didn't make a re-hash of a "John Fox Sux" thread, only slightly wording it differently?

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I got to thinking, when was the last time you...

a) watched a game and when it was over, you said that was a pretty impressive coaching job by Fox

B) when was the last you watched a game and thought Fox was a key part of why we lost

John Fox's greatest gameplans

NFC championship against philly (2003)

Wildcard playoffs against NY (2005)

Week 16 against the Falcons (2006)

many John Fox wins have come by sheer virtue of brute overpowering or "execution" as he likes to call it. The guy lacks any complex x's and o's savvy and is very simplistic in his offensive approach. So, quite often, the offense plays only as well as it is healthy, and we're very sensitive to injuries compared to other teams. His philosophy relies heavily on sheer talent which is very unreliable due to the hard hitting nature of the game. Much of the offense's problems right now is because the line play is awful. We can't run the ball, and we can't figure out an effective passing approach to circumvent the issue, mostly because the only reason our passing game is ever effective most of the time is through play action.

Those three games are the only time i can really say Fox outcoached the other guy

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John Fox's greatest gameplans

NFC championship against philly (2003)

Wildcard playoffs against NY (2005)

Week 16 against the Falcons (2006)

many John Fox wins have come by sheer virtue of brute overpowering or "execution" as he likes to call it. The guy lacks any complex x's and o's savvy and is very simplistic in his offensive approach. So, quite often, the offense plays only as well as it is healthy, and we're very sensitive to injuries compared to other teams. His philosophy relies heavily on sheer talent which is very unreliable due to the hard hitting nature of the game. Much of the offense's problems right now is because the line play is awful. We can't run the ball, and we can't figure out an effective passing approach to circumvent the issue, mostly because the only reason our passing game is ever effective most of the time is through play action.

Those three games are the only time i can really say Fox outcoached the other guy

Good points. Explains why are offense has been putrid the past few years. It may also explain why Fox has never had a better offensive coordinator. Charlie Weis is supposed to be one of his closest friends, but I've always wonder why Fox was never able to bring him on board in Carolina. It seems Fox's ultra-conservative approach that handcuffs the offense would discourage any real OC from developing the talent on that side of the ball. JMO

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for me

a) 2004 against SF. That was the last game his actual coaching really jumped out and grabbed me. I knew what he did was the difference maker. We have had some other nice wins but the talent imo gets a large share and Fox pretty much sailed through those wins...sticking w/ his script and the talent pulling it out.

B) just about every loss w/ the exception of a few in 2009.

So, it's the players when we win and the coach when we lose?

Where's Delhomme when you need him, huh?

OMG that's keeping it black & white.

:shocked: :smilielol5:

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