Clausen vs. Bradford

[Dpantherman]

ridonkulous is not a word

Yes it is!!!

[Mvp2014]

Obviously Bradford is the man and will be a star in the next couple of years. I dont think its fair to evaluate Jimmy yet, he's had no rushing help, rookie receivers, and an O line that looks less than mediocre. That being said, yes we should draft Luck because guys like that are impossible to find and I think Clausen will be a good qb for a WC offense and we could get a 2nd round pick for him if he's ups his value through the stretch

[Chaos]

And what if Clausen pulls a Matt Moore and starts lighting is up in meaningless games down the stretch, only to be a mirage of a future long-term QB? Perhaps a new coaching staff will make that irrelevant, and take a new direction regardless?

[panthers55]

Once again, Bradford is throwing a lot of short passes that are designed plays. Clausen is required to read long to short, which is harder to do and takes longer, and his short passes are mostly checkdowns.

Bradford is being put in a much better position to succeed. That's not to say that I'm completely sold on Clausen (nobody should have made up their minds one way or the other yet), but it's apples and oranges when you compare these two.

All short passes are not alike. Look for example of the one throw by Clausen to Goodson where he hit him in space and Goodson could get upfield. Clausen's passes are not only short but rarely designed plays likes slants or crossing patterns where there is a good chance for yards after the catch. They are also not timing routes where Clausen puts the ball to a spot and the receiver is there for the catch. Most of the time he is looking around to find someone and it is a dumpoff play not a designed short pass. Bradford does have more short passes which he throws to a spot or which are designed plays.

From what I can see Clausen won't throw a ball if there is any defender around, he won't throw to a spot and he rarely hits a guy in stride. Some of that is questionable accuracy, some is lack of confidence in being able to throw in tight spaces and some is not recognizing coverages and who is going to be open.

There is no way to tell whether it is the quarterback or the system but it probably some of both. I still believe that bradford would be more successful in our system than Clausen. Both Moore and St Pierre were better than Clausen at this point.

[panthers55]

And what if Clausen pulls a Matt Moore and starts lighting is up in meaningless games down the stretch, only to be a mirage of a future long-term QB? Perhaps a new coaching staff will make that irrelevant, and take a new direction regardless?

Hint: We have playing meaningless games for several weeks. When exactly is he supposed to start lighting it up??

[mav1234]

Sweet, we need more of these threads. We've had two now in the last two days. Someone remember to make one tomorrow.

Worthless comparison. We don't have Bradford to start, so what's the point?

Clausen's all we have right now. So he isn't improving fast enough, sucks.

Bradford would likely look much worse in our offense, too.

Both Moore and St Pierre were better than Clausen at this point.

you, sir, are crazy. Moore had more time in the system and yes looked better but as much as this hurts some, he can't come back this year. He still struggled mightily and made a TON of mistakes. I believe that what you are seeing is a backlash on the part of coaches and a player because Moore took TOO MANY chances.

BSP was abysmal. I don't even know how you think his game was better than Clausen's.

[rayzor]

This is painfully simple. Even Jangler should be able to understand.

If Jimmy sucks it up this year, we will probably lose our last 5 games. We will have the #1 pick. We draft Luck. Jimmy grabs some pine.

If Jimmy pulls it together, we will beat Seattle and Arizona and possibly an Atlanta team resting their starters. We will draft AJ Green or Peterson or whomever...but not a QB.

Clausen's life is in his own hands.

true.

[panthers55]

Sweet, we need more of these threads. We've had two now in the last two days. Someone remember to make one tomorrow.

Worthless comparison. We don't have Bradford to start, so what's the point?

Clausen's all we have right now. So he isn't improving fast enough, sucks.

Bradford would likely look much worse in our offense, too.

Clausen isn't improving at all. Compared to his last game he was worse on Sunday.

St Pierre was better than Clausen in this offense so anyone could be better than Clausen. At this point I would see what Pike can do.

[Jangler]

Sweet, we need more of these threads. We've had two now in the last two days. Someone remember to make one tomorrow.

Worthless comparison. We don't have Bradford to start, so what's the point?

Clausen's all we have right now. So he isn't improving fast enough, sucks.

Bradford would likely look much worse in our offense, too.

*newsflash* This wasn't about Bradford. :bigear: and wow! you said what I did in the OP, good for you.

[mav1234]

Clausen isn't improving at all. Compared to his last game he was worse on Sunday.

St Pierre was better than Clausen in this offense so anyone could be better than Clausen. At this point I would see what Pike can do.

By what metric was he worse this Sunday than his previous start?

1) He showed resilience coming back from an INT to lead the team down to what should have been a game winning FG

2) He moved the offense better - MUCH better - look at his 3rd down completion %age, who the hell cares if they were finding an open back.

3) He actually was visibly reading defenses on many plays, and he stood in the pocket slightly more.

4) HE DIDNT HAVE A BATTED BALL! WOOO!

How was BSP better?? is your only metric "threw for a long touchdown"? Because if so, darn, you got me! Because that is all BSP was able to do, really.

[Cat'sGrowl]

Oh, gee, this thread again..

Anyways.

Bradford looks like an NFL QB.

Clausen looks like a rookie NFL QB. <thanks Coach Rip!!>

Will he mature? Hope so. He's shown the ability to make plays, and he could develop into a very good NFL QB.

Wish people would just sit,wait, and watch and stop letting their ego's get in the way.

[unicar15]

Jimmy Clausen

TDS

1

INT

5

YDS

887

RTG

55.5

Sam Bradford

TDS

17

INT

9

YDS

2,466

RTG

82.0

And he did something yesterday no rookie QB has ever done. He threw for 300 yds 3TDs No ints on the road.

Say what you want, the system, the Coach, whatever... Bradford has proved he was NFL ready. Would he have done this good in Carolina? Probably not. But to keep saying Clausen is a rookie and to give him a break, is BS. If the rolls were reversed I don't think Clausen would be having as good a season as Bradford, just shedding a little light...

I think Bradford would have been as good here as in St. Louis. That's why he was the #1 pick. He could have been good no matter where he went. That is the same reason that Luck will be the #1 pick and the reason that if given the chance, the Panther better take him. If they don't it will be one of the biggest blunders in draft history.

[panthers55]

Sweet, we need more of these threads. We've had two now in the last two days. Someone remember to make one tomorrow.

Worthless comparison. We don't have Bradford to start, so what's the point?

Clausen's all we have right now. So he isn't improving fast enough, sucks.

Bradford would likely look much worse in our offense, too.

you, sir, are crazy. Moore had more time in the system and yes looked better but as much as this hurts some, he can't come back this year. He still struggled mightily and made a TON of mistakes. I believe that what you are seeing is a backlash on the part of coaches and a player because Moore took TOO MANY chances.

BSP was abysmal. I don't even know how you think his game was better than Clausen's.

And you sir are blind to the facts. St Pierre threw a long touchdown to Gettis and while he threw some pick sixs, the game was already over. While it mattered he threw better and down the field.

While Moore's 10 Ints seemed bad at the time at least he moved the offense and had 5 TDs. Right now Jimmy has 1 TD and 5 Ints. Five starts and 1 TD. That is incredibly poor. St Pierre had the same number of TDs in 1 game.

So as incredibly bad as BSP was, Clausen is even worse. Not that is abysmal.

[Cat'sGrowl]

I think Bradford would have been as good here as in St. Louis. That's why he was the #1 pick. He could have been good no matter where he went. That is the same reason that Luck will be the #1 pick and the reason that if given the chance, the Panther better take him. If they don't it will be one of the biggest blunders in draft history.

Nahh..