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7 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

My take from the last 2ish seasons the qb position has severely crippled them in the playoffs and Tomlin may have to do something drastic to change that.

 

 

Agreed. I think Tomlin has to do something drastic to show he isn't content with mediocrity. This move would do that.

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1 minute ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Its possible, but would probably take another team being interested.  They might be able to stand pat and pick him at 21.

Feels like the saints have him targeted at 9, which makes pick 8 $

I want walker bad and I know Tomlin is lights out in the reg season but that is a haul that can really accelerate our timeline

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Staying put and drafting Jaxson Dart feels like much more of a Steelers move than trading into the top 10 to draft Sanders.

Drafting Kenny Pickett #20 was a mistake but it wasn't the major setback that trading into the top 10 to draft Kenny Pickett would've been.

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4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's difficult for me to buy an organization as historically well ran as the Steelers doing something this colossally stupid unless somehow David Tepper has shadow purchased the organization. 

Its extremely well ran and well coached.  So much to the point they are having to draft scrubs like Pickett and sign old vets like wilson to try and shore up the qb position.  At some point they have to take a huge swing because Tomlin wins too many games to get a chance at a top prospect

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1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Feels like the saints have him targeted at 9, which makes pick 8 $

I want walker bad and I know Tomlin is lights out in the reg season but that is a haul that can really accelerate our timeline

Take that trade down haul or let the Saints pick Shedeur.

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3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I think Sanders can play now and dart may take a season on the bench

I think Sanders is very limited in his NFL projection. The way he played in college with his skill set does not translate. I'm not sure he's as plug and play as people think. You have rewire him in terms of how he sees the field and what he's physically capable of doing against NFL competition. Late last season gives us hope that Bryce has maybe done that but we had to endure a lot of ugly football to get that glimpse of hope. Playing Sanders early goes similarly IMO.

They'd basically be drafting a slower, weaker armed Russell Wilson. How does that work out with lesser physical talent?

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11 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's difficult for me to buy an organization as historically well ran as the Steelers doing something this colossally stupid unless somehow David Tepper has shadow purchased the organization. 

Need a QB. They've been in purgatory on being real contenders for a decade. Get desperate, especially over there in the AFC. Who knows. 

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I think Sanders is very limited in his NFL projection. The way he played in college with his skill set does not translate. I'm not sure he's as plug and play as people think. You have rewire him in terms of how he sees the field and what he's physically capable of doing against NFL competition. Late last season gives us hope that Bryce has maybe done that but we had to endure a lot of ugly football to get that glimpse of hope. Playing Sanders early goes similarly IMO.

I dont like him at all as a prospect but basically everyone acknowledges he can probably start day one and if he gets adequate protection he can probably win games.  His ceiling however is a bit limited IMO.   He probably is already better then fields and probably can be as good or better then 2024 Wilson towards the end of the season.  Does that win a play off game, I doubt it but Tomlin cannot take that chance at this point in his career

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3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I dont like him at all as a prospect but basically everyone acknowledges he can probably start day one and if he gets adequate protection he can probably win games.  His ceiling however is a bit limited IMO.   He probably is already better then fields and probably can be as good or better then 2024 Wilson towards the end of the season.  Does that win a play off game, I doubt it but Tomlin cannot take that chance at this point in his career

Yeah, they thought that about Bryce too. Just because a guy is mentally ready doesn't mean he's ready if the playing style isn't plug and play also. Some of these guys have to relearn how to play the game at the NFL level in terms of what they're physically capable of. That's true to some degree with everyone but it's more true of guy's whose physical talent isn't top tier.

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19 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's difficult for me to buy an organization as historically well ran as the Steelers doing something this colossally stupid unless somehow David Tepper has shadow purchased the organization. 

Well they did break their mold with that DK trade and extension.

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3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, they thought that about Bryce too. Just because a guy is mentally ready doesn't mean he's ready if the playing style isn't plug and play also. Some of these guys have to relearn how to play the game at the NFL level in terms of what they're physically capable of. That's true to some degree with everyone but it's more true of guy's whose physical talent isn't top tier.

you are not wrong just saying that Tomlin may feel like he has to do something drastic this year.

And at 21 we probably would be able to still get a good pass rusher or probably either Golden or Tet

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8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, they thought that about Bryce too. Just because a guy is mentally ready doesn't mean he's ready if the playing style isn't plug and play also. Some of these guys have to relearn how to play the game at the NFL level in terms of what they're physically capable of. That's true to some degree with everyone but it's more true of guy's whose physical talent isn't top tier.

Steelers have a strong OL and two big WRs in Pickens and DK. If a QB is plug and play that’s the offense/roster you want. Plus a great defense. Not the horror show we put on the field in 2023…

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27 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's difficult for me to buy an organization as historically well ran as the Steelers doing something this colossally stupid unless somehow David Tepper has shadow purchased the organization. 

I mean if the culture of an organization/coach can help rein in all the noise surrounding Sanders. That would be the Steelers and Tomlin.

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