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17 hours ago, CPcavedweller said:

So what are we going to do? Trade Legette? Even if Legette is two, we don’t need another 6’4 go ball specialist. We had the Twin Towers experiment and experience, it didn’t end well. 
 

If anything, you would trade down and use the additional picks to trade back up to take Golden. 

Gotta get it outta your brain that all tall WR are Devin Funchess.

T-Mac is the best prospect of the 4 by a good margin. 

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6 minutes ago, PantherKyle said:

Dude he absolutely was not. 

He absolutely was.  He had a monster so season at florida st and fell do us because of a supposed crappy 40.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/tetairoa-mcmillan/32004d43-4d51-4957-830f-234e646a998f4

Tet - 6.40 grade

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/kelvin-benjamin/32004245-4e15-0538-7acf-a6a8f1fabfd0

KB - 6.8 grade

I think the knee injury really got to KB

Funny enough both of their scouting reports are pretty similar, oh and that 6.4 grade would have been (checks notes) tied for 6th best last draft

 

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4 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Benjamin was a higher graded prospect 

The only place you’ll find that being the case is in the NFL draft profiles on NFL.com, which are laughably useless (go check out the profiles for Aaron Donald, LaQuan Treadwell, Greg Robinson, or Isiah Wilson)

 

From what I remember him being a low first round type of prospect was pretty consensus as his measurable were great but we was raw as poo, pretty stiff, and body caught a lot. TMAC was consistently in the top half of mocks with a lot of top ten buzz prior, there was only really any talk of him falling lower this last month or so, which I think was mostly prospect fatigue.
 

 

Happy to be proven wrong though. 

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2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

He absolutely was.  He had a monster so season at florida st and fell do us because of a supposed crappy 40.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/tetairoa-mcmillan/32004d43-4d51-4957-830f-234e646a998f4

Tet - 6.40 grade

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/kelvin-benjamin/32004245-4e15-0538-7acf-a6a8f1fabfd0

KB - 6.8 grade

I think the knee injury really got to KB

Funny enough both of their scouting reports are pretty similar, oh and that 6.4 grade would have been (checks notes) tied for 6th best last draft

 

Profiles on NFL.com are far from the draft community and NFL consensus 

 

Also

 

 

Aaron Donald Draft and Combine Prospect Profile  NFL.com.png

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1 minute ago, Coheed said:

Profiles on NFL.com are far from the draft community and NFL consensus 

 

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Aaron Donald Draft and Combine Prospect Profile  NFL.com.png

I mean cool, nobody is perfect and they clearly werent about KB, although I think the knee messed him up, simply pointing out he was the higher ranked prospect.  I would think they get it right far more then wrong though. It is however impossible to know but like PFF or whatever its a grade given based on metrics.

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10 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I mean cool, nobody is perfect and they clearly werent about KB, although I think the knee messed him up, simply pointing out he was the higher ranked prospect.  I would think they get it right far more than wrong though. It is however impossible to know but like PFF or whatever it’s a grade given based on metrics.

Part of my point was the only place I remember him being a “higher prospect” is NFL.com. But, as a huge draft junkie since 2008, I just recall the general sentiments around KB being much lower than TMAC. For instance, Walterfootball had KB going in the second round to Baltimore back in 2014 but TMAC going 12 to Dallas.  NFL prospect profiles is the only place I can find being higher on KB, but it’s also over a decade ago so who knows.

 

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4 minutes ago, Coheed said:

Part of my point was the only place I remember him being a “higher prospect” is NFL.com. But, as a huge draft junkie since 2008, I just recall the general sentiments around KB being much lower than TMAC. For instance, Walterfootball had KB going in the second round to Baltimore back in 2014 but TMAC going 12 to Dallas.  the only place I can find being higher in KB, but it’s also over a decade ago so who knows. 
 

To be fair the quality of recievers was much better in that draft.  

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12 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

To be fair the quality of recievers was much better in that draft.  

Oh for sure, he would’ve been below Watkins, OBJ and Mike Evans and probably Marquis Lee as a prospect but I think he would be above KB.

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2 hours ago, Panthero said:

Take note folks, this is how you respond. Humor. Well said and I have done at least worse if not far worse on predictions. 

hey, I still haven't been wrong about them drafting a Gamecock!  That was my first prediction this week therefore it must be the best and one that should carry the most weight showing my prediction brilliance! 

They will draft a Gamecock. Burch counts.  I'm going to count the UDFAs as well as they were in the draft in theory.  Also I am in including kids that played them or watched a game.  Or ate chicken.   If I hit on that, please note that as well.  Can't just pay attention to the Ls. 

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1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I mean cool, nobody is perfect and they clearly werent about KB, although I think the knee messed him up, simply pointing out he was the higher ranked prospect.  I would think they get it right far more then wrong though. It is however impossible to know but like PFF or whatever its a grade given based on metrics.

Weighing more is more stress on joints.  Was 240 the lightest he ever was in the NFL?  I'd bet he was 245 by the time the season started.

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