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Climbers and Fallers

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CHARLOTTE, N.C. — Nothing mattered more to the Carolina Panthers in their exhibition opener than the crisp play of quarterback Bryce Young during a 73-yard touchdown drive on the second of two series for the first-team offense.

But that’s not to say the rest of the game was meaningless. So there was a lot for Dave Canales and his coaching staff to comb through from the loss to the Cleveland Browns, which Canales indicated wasn’t quite as bad as the 30-10 final score would suggest.

Climbers

  • WR Jalen Coker - "Leaned out" in the offseason with a stricter diet and training regimen, maybe some impressive snags including a TD and a one-handed catch negated by a penalty, and logged five special teams snaps after playing a total of 31 all of last season.
  • CB Corey Thornton - Showed up against the pass as well as the run and is competing for CB3.
  • EDGE Nic Scourton - Made Canales' favorite play of the game when he hustled to force Shedeur out of bounds for a 1yd loss.
  • S Lathan Ransom - Was second on the team in tackles against CLE and seems inevitable to take Nick Scott's starting position.

Fallers

  • S Nick Scott - Has been helping Moehrig with calls but made a critical special teams error and seems destined to be overtaken by Ransom or Richardson sooner rather than later.
  • Special teams - Negated a 46yd kickoff return with holding penalties, had too many men on the field on a Browns punt, and gave up 46yds on two punt returns.
  • CB Shemar Bartholomew - Was one of the guys called for holding that negated the 46yd return, has been passed by Thornton on the depth chart, slipped on a play that went for a 19yd completion, and was a step slow on an in-breaking route that turned into a 12yd TD (but did have a nice PBU).
  • Back-up offensive tackles - Nijman and BC got beat bad on third and long to give up a sack, and Nijman also was called for a facemask penalty that wiped out a 34yd one-handed catch by Coker.
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2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I would say Scott being overtaken is a net positive. He is a known weakness in the starting lineup. 

Special Teams may emerge as a leading concern overall. Something to watch.

Yes, the special teams were abysmal on Friday. There is a lot to clean up.

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11 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Good God, we hope not. That would entail an insane contract extension and him hanging on until the end of it. 

Sidelined due to injury situations aside, Ian Thomas has to be the Panthers who put the most money in the bank for the least return on the field. Sean Gilbert entered my mind but he was decent, he just was nowhere near the dominant force that we invested in him to be. Ian Thomas was just an absolute waste of a roster spot and yet somehow turned that into damn near $20M. Crazy.

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19 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Sidelined due to injury situations aside, Ian Thomas has to be the Panthers who put the most money in the bank for the least return on the field. Sean Gilbert entered my mind but he was decent, he just was nowhere near the dominant force that we invested in him to be. Ian Thomas was just an absolute waste of a roster spot and yet somehow turned that into damn near $20M. Crazy.

It's a real JAGs to riches story.

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3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

It's a real JAGs to riches story.

Calling Ian Thomas a JAG is an insult to all the hard working JAGs out there filling their role. Ian Thomas was the type of guy who should've bounced around training camps for a couple of years after his rookie contract expired before realizing that there's just not a spot for him in the NFL. His value in the NFL should've been fighting for a bottom of the roster spot while he was dirt cheap on a rookie contract. Once he had to be paid vet min his value slid to zero.

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I think its more being lucky to be on team this bad, while playing in a position that necessarily isn’t of high value to teams currently. That’s how a bad safety stays around for longer than he likely should on a terrible team rebuilding their roster. But that is just my opinion. 

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1 minute ago, CarolinaLivin said:

I think its more being lucky to be on team this bad, while playing in a position that necessarily isn’t of high value to teams currently. That’s how a bad safety stays around for longer than he likely should on a terrible team rebuilding their roster. But that is just my opinion. 

I would also add some definitive history behind us overlooking safety historically. Moehrig is the notable exception, so perhaps this is changing.

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2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I would say Scott being overtaken is a net positive. He is a known weakness in the starting lineup. 

Special Teams may emerge as a leading concern overall. Something to watch.

Not sure how this unit got so bad.  Do we have the same coach?

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