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Coach asked about Coker!!

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4 hours ago, CRA said:

If you were to take the Time Machine back though..

DeVante Adams had less yards, less TDs, and a HIGHER drop % than XL as a rookie with prime Aaron Rodgers throwing the ball to him.  DeVante Adams was never going to be “DeVante Adams” either.   Adams had a rough start to the NFL.  In fact his next year was worse than his rookie year…and was regarded as one of the worst WRs playing in the NFL. 

people forget that journey to the top. One of the best dig yourself out of the grave stories of the last couple decades given he made it to largely being regarded as the best in the business. 

*not saying it happens with XL,  but DeVante is an example of why you don’t count someone out, not one of why someone is hopeless. 

Seems you shut a lot of that down. There basically is no comeback for this post. Good job! The I don't want to write this kid off but I am going to write this kid off posts and takes have been insane about XL.

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4 hours ago, CRA said:

If you were to take the Time Machine back though..

DeVante Adams had less yards, less TDs, and a HIGHER drop % than XL as a rookie with prime Aaron Rodgers throwing the ball to him.  DeVante Adams was never going to be “DeVante Adams” either.   Adams had a rough start to the NFL.  In fact his next year was worse than his rookie year…and was regarded as one of the worst WRs playing in the NFL. 

people forget that journey to the top. One of the best dig yourself out of the grave stories of the last couple decades given he made it to largely being regarded as the best in the business. 

*not saying it happens with XL,  but DeVante is an example of why you don’t count someone out, not one of why someone is hopeless. 

This is lacking a fairly considerable amount of context. For one, Adams(age 22) started 12 of 16 games, had 38 rec, 446 yds and 3 TD's on 66 targets(18 less, with 2 less games started). The main thing missing here is that the top two WR's for Green Bay that year combined for about 2800 yds and 25 TD's.

Now if you want to throw a more accurate dart at Adams, take a look at year two. This year the production was spread around considerably and Adams didn't stand out from that pack(pun not intended). 

So, if XL struggles mightily this season, I would probably keep that comparison in your quiver to counter argue.

I would suggest that I don't think that scenario is probably very accurate for most HOF caliber WR's taken in the first round over the past 15 or so years. Adams was the 89th pick overall, as well. A little different hill to climb than XL, although not massively.

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On 8/11/2025 at 11:39 PM, Proudiddy said:

I say all that to say, in summary, Coker is the better WR as of now and honestly, might remain so, but XL is a weapon in his own right - his numbers from his rookie season indicate he isn't just some washout or bust.

Love how you have infinite patience for XL but gave up on Kon Knueppel after the first half of his first preseason game. Never saw a "Surprise! Tet looks really bad!" thread after he dropped a TD pass.

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On 8/11/2025 at 3:58 PM, kungfoodude said:

Even without this TC/offseason, Coker proved that last year too. 

He is simply the far better prepared NFL player. 

I get the ceiling difference, I think we all do. But if you can't reach that ceiling, what was it worth?

Have to get off the floor first, before reaching for the ceiling.

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On 8/12/2025 at 4:50 PM, kungfoodude said:

This is lacking a fairly considerable amount of context. For one, Adams(age 22) started 12 of 16 games, had 38 rec, 446 yds and 3 TD's on 66 targets(18 less, with 2 less games started). The main thing missing here is that the top two WR's for Green Bay that year combined for about 2800 yds and 25 TD's.

Now if you want to throw a more accurate dart at Adams, take a look at year two. This year the production was spread around considerably and Adams didn't stand out from that pack(pun not intended). 

So, if XL struggles mightily this season, I would probably keep that comparison in your quiver to counter argue.

I would suggest that I don't think that scenario is probably very accurate for most HOF caliber WR's taken in the first round over the past 15 or so years. Adams was the 89th pick overall, as well. A little different hill to climb than XL, although not massively.

I appreciate the argument, and ill let y'all handle the numbers...  But, I'm gonna toss my hat in the ring with the "eye test."  XL doesn't look like a bust.  Period.  I think bringing up Mingo and TMJ were apt comparisons because of where they were drafted and the expectations, and both were complete busts.  TMJ looked useable in his latter years here, but still struggled to make significant strides.  XL had utility as a rookie that neither Mingo or TMJ had.  Yes, XL left some significant plays on the field as a rookie, but he also made some that the other guys he's being comped to didn't and couldn't, and again, this is all while trying to find his footing in an offense with a rookie coach, rookie OC, and a QB position in flux.  And look at what XL is doing in camp this year...  He is making plays.  The drops don't seem to be a thing.  He is creating separation as a receiver, not relying on motion or gadgetry, and he has improved significantly as a route runner.  XL will be just fine and is a great piece to a young, deep receiving corps.

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4 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

I appreciate the argument, and ill let y'all handle the numbers...  But, I'm gonna toss my hat in the ring with the "eye test."  XL doesn't look like a bust.  Period.  I think bringing up Mingo and TMJ were apt comparisons because of where they were drafted and the expectations, and both were complete busts.  TMJ looked useable in his latter years here, but still struggled to make significant strides.  XL had utility as a rookie that neither Mingo or TMJ had.  Yes, XL left some significant plays on the field as a rookie, but he also made some that the other guys he's being comped to didn't and couldn't, and again, this is all while trying to find his footing in an offense with a rookie coach, rookie OC, and a QB position in flux.  And look at what XL is doing in camp this year...  He is making plays.  The drops don't seem to be a thing.  He is creating separation as a receiver, not relying on motion or gadgetry, and he has improved significantly as a route runner.  XL will be just fine and is a great piece to a young, deep receiving corps.

I think we just fundamentally disagree on where he is at career wise. It was a pretty rough first year and we are in the golden age of rookie WR's showing out. To be sure he had difficulties to deal with outside his control but he still looks extremely unpolished.

I am a glass half empty guy on XL and you are a glass half full guy.

Hopefully we are on the same page in the 2026 offseason and it's the glass just being full.

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