Sporters reporters forecast Panthers record

[Waldo]

12 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

That's what the coaches are there for. They cannot let 1 player negatively impact the team overall. If that continues it's on the coaches. So the overall record is on the coaches. What they do and who they play is solely on them. Its a team sport and w/l record is on everyone, specifically the head coach.

In the event a team is picking in  the top 10 in a year with QB options and a meh QB going into their 4th year they are absolutely having that conversation. The Bears just did that with Fields going into his 4th year. Add in coaching changes and it becomes even more volatile. 

I also never said the record was on the QB. I did say the record has an affect on that situation, just like I gave an example of above.

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[Jon Snow]

4 minutes ago, cranky said:

Around 70% of their projections will land within 1.5 wins of the preseason totals. That's good but not perfect.

A couple of notable exceptions are:

2023 Jets: The were projected for 9.5 wins but Rogers was hurt week one and went 7-10.

2021 Bengals were projected at 6.5 and went 10-7 going to the SB. That was the year Burrows came back from an injury and Chase was added through the draft.

2023 Texans were projected for 6.5 wins but went 10-7 thanks to a phenominal rookie season from Stroud.

The point being, the emergence of a QB ( or decline) can change those lines quickly. IF, Young continues were he left off at AND Tet is what they hope, then the 6.5 projected wins could be another "notable exception"

You're not going to find perfect. There's a reason they are called exceptions. They are outliers that fans use to have hope for their team. Its not something you bet on.

[Lame Duck]

2 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

The NFC South is so bad that hosting a playoff game isn't impossible.  But neither is picking in the top 5 next draft.

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, Waldo said:

In the event a team is picking in  the top 10 in a year with QB options and a meh QB going into their 4th year they are absolutely having that conversation. The Bears just did that with Fields going into his 4th year. Add in coaching changes and it becomes even more volatile. 

I also never said the record was on the QB. I did say the record has an effect on that situation, just like I gave an example of above.

I didn't say anything about conversations. You seem to be already placing blame on an outcome that hasn't happened yet. If they are picking in the top 10 I can guarantee it's due to more than just qb play.

[Waldo]

17 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I didn't say anything about conversations. You seem to be already placing blame on an outcome that hasn't happened yet. If they are picking in the top 10 I can guarantee it's due to more than just qb play.

Theroetical conversation if the team is sitting at 6 or less wins. Where is the blame anywhere in my posts? All I said is that in that situation that conversation would be likely. Yes picking top 10 would be more than just QB but then again with new staff that conversation becomes more likely. Why the deflection into blame and more than QB? Nothing I have posted is even abrasive just saying that at 6 wins, top 10 pick again, some likely new staff, a better QB class than '25 and they should be looking at QBs. A rookie QB deal is the sweet spot for any team along with a QB on a rookie deal should cement their worth in those 3 years before committing to the 5th option. 

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[Jon Snow]

22 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Theroetical conversation if the team is sitting at 6 or less wins. Where is the blame anywhere in my posts? All I said is that in that situation that conversation would be likely. Yes picking top 10 would be more than just QB but then again with new staff that conversation becomes more likely. Why the deflection into blame and more than QB? Nothing I have posted is even abrasive just saying that at 6 wins, top 10 pick again, some likely new staff, a better QB class than '25 and they should be looking at QBs. A rookie QB deal is the sweet spot for any team along with a QB on a rookie deal should cement their worth in those 3 years before committing to the 5th option. 

If the coach allows a player that's costing the team win games to continue to play then who is that on? Canales and Dan went all in on Young for this season without a backup plan. If Young founders then it's on the coach to pull his ass and start someone else. That's how it works. I expect there will be more than a qb change if they finish with a top 10 draft pick.

[Waldo]

15 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

If the coach allows a player that's costing the team win games to continue to play then who is that on? Canales and Dan went all in on Young for this season without a backup plan. If Young founders then it's on the coach to pull his ass and start someone else. That's how it works. I expect there will be more than a qb change if they finish with a top 10 draft pick.

Again I said it's not about blame. 

They literally have no one else because they refused to being in anyone playable. Dalton was good for 1 fun game and now that's in question. That ship already sailed. Again no blame, I just said maybe because of the situation of a 3rd year QB and what is projected as a better QB draft than the last draft. 6 wins and a top 10 pick the only ways QB isn't being looked at is if he shuts it down through play or the draft is another wasteland.  

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[Shotgun]

2 hours ago, cranky said:

You didn't see the team be incompetent. 

 

[Butterflyj30]

I got us winning 8 games at least!! Can you sneak into the playoffs with 8 wins 

[mrcompletely11]

2 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

The team record is on the coaches. The players are evaluated individually. 

For sure but I think its pretty rare, and I could be wrong, but if you picking in the top 7ish pretty much everything has gone wrong.  I cannot think of any recent examples where a team was picking that high and their offense was lights out.  

[raleigh-panther]

3 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

In this roster's defense, neither the 2003 or 2015 rosters screamed anything but another lackluster season. Sometimes, you just catch the magic. Sure would be nice again.

Of course, both of those teams had established, game setting linebacking corps. And we've got... errr... 

and a qb. And a decent mix of receivers etc etc 

[Jon Snow]

2 hours ago, Waldo said:

Again I said it's not about blame. 

They literally have no one else because they refused to being in anyone playable. Dalton was good for 1 fun game and now that's in question. That ship already sailed. Again no blame, I just said maybe because of the situation of a 3rd year QB and what is projected as a better QB draft than the last draft. 6 wins and a top 10 pick the only ways QB isn't being looked at is if he shuts it down through play or the draft is another wasteland.  

You're crying over spilled milk. You are blaming the player for the Panthers mistake. Draft position has nothing to do with how good a player will be. They come with no guarantees. 

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[Jay Roosevelt]

I can see 9-10 wins if things go well for us. I can also see the whole thing collapsing and we end up with a top-3 pick next year.

Gun to my head, I'll predict 7 wins.

[Waldo]

3 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

You're crying over spilled milk. You are blameng the player for the Panthers mistake. Draft position has nothing to do with how good a player will be. They come with no guarantees. 

Again you're stuck on blame and Im talking about the situation. Draft position absolutely has a part in QB decisions because it's part of what they are weighing hold/move from a 3rd year QB just like who is available i  the draft. There is zero milk and it's not about blame or fair or any other weighted arguments, it's just the situation and the business.

Are you OK? Your comprehension of what I am saying is well bellow your usual banter.