Highest rate of incompletions due to WR error

[Jon Snow]

36 minutes ago, CRA said:

3rd straight openers of horrific football featuring Bryce.  

and if the games weren't dated....I bet someone unfamiliar with Bryce/us  couldn't figure out which one was his rookie season just off the 3 openers. 

I never needed stats to tell me how a player is doing. I watch every snap and if they have more bad plays than good plays that is all I need to see. Young has more bad than he has good, by a wide margin. 

He was going to need to overcome an overwhelming size disadvantage coming into the league. He had to lead a dysfunctional, talentless team and turn it around. He had no chance and somehow the FO overlooked all of that.

The fact that the odds of it being remotely successful were 1000:1 is all the reason you need.

Tepper made his fortune taking gambles like this but that is in finance, you don't do that in football. 

[CRA]

50 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

Ehhh XL was horrible, this metric I feel like only tells part of the story not all catches missed due to receiver error are equal, down and distance, and yardage/potential scored missed matter too.

Feels about right.  Syncs up.  XL being horrible doesn’t give him a multiplier.  

On WRs

- no foot down

- 4th and 1

- you pick  

on Bryce 

-opening over throw 

- under throw to Renfrow 

-pushed out of bounds to Renfrow 

- hospital ball to Renfrow 

- underthrow to TMac 

- INT to the S

On nobody 

- Saunders 50/50

- TMac in the endzone 

That’s 11 of them.  Not sure what I would do with the Dowdle ball. Can’t remember the others off the top

[CRA]

57 minutes ago, Panthering said:

This isn't directed at CRA or anyone in particular, but as someone who works with large datasets every day, it's funny how you can construe data to fit any particular narrative. 

I mean this is just a hilarious tweet, a stat nobody has ever heard of, then some percentages with QB name. No numerator/denominator to provide context, no explanation of the formula, just another stathead loser with a mustache parroting whatever he wants. 

So much of this stuff is worthless, especially in a sport like Football. 

Well I 100% agree you deep dive for any player and create almost any narrative/argument. 

Thats why at the end of the day, your take when the clock strikes zero is largely the most solid IMO.   Was TMac good? Yes.  Was XL bad? Yes.  

The I need to watch the tape first mentality and check out the analytics sites to form an opinion…..gets real squirrely. 
 

 

[Jon Snow]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

Well I 100% agree you deep dive for any player and create almost any narrative/argument. 

Thats why at the end of the day, your take when the clock strikes zero is largely the most solid IMO.   Was TMac good? Yes.  Was XL bad? Yes.  

The I need to watch the tape first mentality and check out the analytics sites to form an opinion…..gets real squirrely. 
 

 

It's too easy to get caught up in numbers. Trust your eyes.

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

It's too easy to get caught up in numbers. Trust your eyes.

lol I know the multiple turnover day and 70 yards passing mid 4th quarter looked bad while getting blown out by a weak Jags team……but once those late garbage numbers dropped into the spreadsheet it wasn’t that bad 

[csx]

I dont really think size is his biggest problem. Maybe it affects his confidence.

[Jon Snow]

6 minutes ago, CRA said:

lol I know the multiple turnover day and 70 yards passing mid 4th quarter looked bad while getting blown out by a weak Jags team……but once those late garbage numbers dropped into the spreadsheet it wasn’t that bad 

Thats why I don't look at numbers. He looked like dog water most of the game. Another one in the bad column. He's going in the wrong direction. Just like the odds say he would.

Edited 3 hours ago by Jon Snow

[Stingray3030]

1 hour ago, Panthering said:

This isn't directed at CRA or anyone in particular, but as someone who works with large datasets every day, it's funny how you can construe data to fit any particular narrative. 

I mean this is just a hilarious tweet, a stat nobody has ever heard of, then some percentages with QB name. No numerator/denominator to provide context, no explanation of the formula, just another stathead loser with a mustache parroting whatever he wants. 

So much of this stuff is worthless, especially in a sport like Football. 

As someone who also deals with large data sets and statistical analysis daily for decades, I 100% agree with your response.

[t96]

8 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Currently Cam and Bryce have the exact same career completion percentage at 59.9.

The differences in their play/career arcs are immense, however.

A few critical distincitons here though...

1. League average completion percentage has gone up significantly since Cam's earlier and prime years in the league. 

NFL Season By Season Passing | Pro-Football-Reference.com

 

2. Cam's average depth of target and YPA before his shoulder issues were like twice what Bryce's are which results in lower completion percentage and makes it less important...