Can we all admit it now?

[strato]

20 minutes ago, Manna said:

that just blew my mind. lets see what happens next

Lol yeah we have enjoyed a glimpse of professional quarterbacking in week three. Andy will stand tall and take the hit to make the play and that is a requirement. But, I think the streak ends. 

[UnluckyforSome]

1 hour ago, ClawOn said:

My cynicism isn't quite to that level.  I think Morgan and Canales know Bryce isn't nearly good enough but they practically had no choice but to let it play out this year.

Then they aren't really a head coach and a general manager, but just puppets to Tepper.

[KSpan]

10 hours ago, UnluckyforSome said:

Then they aren't really a head coach and a general manager, but just puppets to Tepper.

Maybe, maybe not. If they said from day one that they were not sold on Bryce then the hirings may have been conditional on giving it a shot anyway given the investment. Lot of football yet to play this season but if things continue to go poorly and Bryce continues to appear subpar, then would not surprise me to see Morgan and/or Canales stay and the QB position be overhauled (yet again).

For clarity, I think Tepper's ownership approach has been nothing but abysmal. Avoidable obvious mistake after avoidable obvious mistake. I have no confidence in any move he or the team makes at this point, simply pointing out a possible scenario.

Edited 7 hours ago by KSpan

[carpanfan96]

10 hours ago, UnluckyforSome said:

Then they aren't really a head coach and a general manager, but just puppets to Tepper.

Everyone that's been hired has been puppets to Tepper, well at least so far. 

[SetfreexX]

13 hours ago, WhoKnows said:

Pressure. The announcers were giving him kudos in how he can make great throws in a clean pocket. Every NFL QB can do that. Last drive wasn’t prevent defense and Young looked terrible to the point that he doesn’t even recognize a free play and throws the ball way out of bounds.

That part right there, how many times have we seen Aaron Rodgers as an example use those types of moments as an opportunity to take a shot downfield or into the endzone...

For the ''IQ'' and ''Processing, his brain is like a computer'' talk, he consistently seems average at best in the majority of these situations.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, SetfreexX said:

That part right there, how many times have we seen Aaron Rodgers as an example use those types of moments as an opportunity to take a shot downfield or into the endzone...

For the ''IQ'' and ''Processing, his brain is like a computer'' talk, he consistently seems average at best in the majority of these situations.

He's a panicker. He panicked last week and threw the ball away on 4th down. He panicked this week right out of the gates and then settled down once he thought the game was lost just to panic again when he saw that we actually had a chance. His confidence is absolutely shot at this point.

[Loyalty4Life]

Bryce has to be better protecting the ball.  You have to hug the football like it's your only child when you feel the tackle coming.  Defense is always going to pull on your arms our peanut punch the ball.  Both hands on the ball.

Still needs to speed up that mental clock when the first cycle of reads is not there and scramble half a second earlier.  He and the play will be better off. Waiting for long routes or receivers to scramble while in the pocket leads to more problems.  It should be read 1,2,3, scramble, run, not 1,2,3,2,1,1,1,sack or pass attempt where his arm gets hit.

I don't know what the issue is with protection calls or even if that is an issue but you cannot have 5 rushers and 6 blockers and still have a free Blitzer right up the gut.  Bryce, online, coaching?  Has to be fixed.

I agree, a lot of garbage yards in between the 20s as Cards were up big and played a lot of soft zone because of the remaining time and the score.  

Saying that, the red zone TDs were impressive and you can't play soft zones with your back against the end zone.

Loved the fight and the leadership.  

Last year Bryce was fantastic under pressure.  That was one of the things that helped his turnaround.  I've seen it this year, TD pass to Renfrow, but I've also seen regression where he tries to bail out running right.  That first sack, even with the free Blitzer he had Sanders on a drag.  Last year he hit that.  Every play has to have a hot read.

These first 2 games are not the same as last years first 2.  We will be better but this year a benching is not needed at all.

Lastly, this narrative on Bryce can only play well when there is no pressure is crazy.  NFL doesn't have that.  There's just pressure, more pressure and in the playoffs pressure.  

He has overcome the pressure of his rookie season which included a poo ton of actual pressure because of a poo line.  That kind of pressure ruins a lot of young QBs.

He's overcome the pressure of a #1 pick.  The pressure of getting benched.

He has had five 4th quarter game winning drives.

The pressure of becoming an NFL QB and leading an NFL locker room.  You expect a lot more team mate backlash but Bryce has received nothing but praise from teammates and coaches.

The pressure of a fan base that is sick of losing and can't distinguish reasons from excuses and are calling for him to be cut with every mistake, even the ones he is not responsible for.

Dude could be a poster child for overcoming pressure.

Long season.  Still a lot of football to play and a lot of reasons for optimism.  

Keep Pounding.

[carpanfan96]

5 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

Bryce has to be better protecting the ball.  You have to hug the football like it's your only child when you feel the tackle coming.  Defense is always going to pull on your arms our peanut punch the ball.  Both hands on the ball.

Still needs to speed up that mental clock when the first cycle of reads is not there and scramble half a second earlier.  He and the play will be better off. Waiting for long routes or receivers to scramble while in the pocket leads to more problems.  It should be read 1,2,3, scramble, run, not 1,2,3,2,1,1,1,sack or pass attempt where his arm gets hit.

I don't know what the issue is with protection calls or even if that is an issue but you cannot have 5 rushers and 6 blockers and still have a free Blitzer right up the gut.  Bryce, online, coaching?  Has to be fixed.

I agree, a lot of garbage yards in between the 20s as Cards were up big and played a lot of soft zone because of the remaining time and the score.  

Saying that, the red zone TDs were impressive and you can't play soft zones with your back against the end zone.

Loved the fight and the leadership.  

Last year Bryce was fantastic under pressure.  That was one of the things that helped his turnaround.  I've seen it this year, TD pass to Renfrow, but I've also seen regression where he tries to bail out running right.  That first sack, even with the free Blitzer he had Sanders on a drag.  Last year he hit that.  Every play has to have a hot read.

These first 2 games are not the same as last years first 2.  We will be better but this year a benching is not needed at all.

Lastly, this narrative on Bryce can only play well when there is no pressure is crazy.  NFL doesn't have that.  There's just pressure, more pressure and in the playoffs pressure.  

He has overcome the pressure of his rookie season which included a poo ton of actual pressure because of a poo line.  That kind of pressure ruins a lot of young QBs.

He's overcome the pressure of a #1 pick.  The pressure of getting benched.

He has had five 4th quarter game winning drives.

The pressure of becoming an NFL QB and leading an NFL locker room.  You expect a lot more team mate backlash but Bryce has received nothing but praise from teammates and coaches.

The pressure of a fan base that is sick of losing and can't distinguish reasons from excuses and are calling for him to be cut with every mistake, even the ones he is not responsible for.

Dude could be a poster child for overcoming pressure.

Long season.  Still a lot of football to play and a lot of reasons for optimism.  

Keep Pounding.

Your oline is only as good as the QB's ability to read the defense and slide protection, know who the hot route is/ call a hot route. . 

 

Ect. That's all on the QB and him reading the defense 

I've said this since he was drafted 

 

He had problems reading defenses at Alabama and relied on going off schedule and wide open receivers. 

Edited 6 hours ago by carpanfan96

[electro's horse]

Bryce threw 30 check downs against the worst defense in the league playing prevent and his defenders are ready to die for him again. 

my lord 

[Loyalty4Life]

6 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

Your oline is only as good as the QB's ability to read the defense and slide protection, know who the hot route is/ call a hot route. . 

 

Ect. That's all on the QB and him reading the defense 

I've said this since he was drafted 

 

He had problems reading defenses at Alabama and relied on going off schedule and wide open receivers. 

I don't know what the right protection call is to stop those stunts or even if there is one.

Are twists and stunt successful because a protection wasn't called correctly or because the oline and RB did not execute correctly.  I know some teams leave those calls to the center.

I don't know enough about that aspect of the game to define fault.  If that is a problem Bryce has always had dating back to college it would seem an easy fix to take that off his plate.

[electro's horse]

He checked at the mine on his first blitz and it just looked like double a gap blitz. He saw something coming and just completely poo the bed  

you throw a quick pass to the flats or slant but Bryce can’t make those passes in that situation so instead he just eats a huge sack while trying to scramble (always to his right) and gives up the fumble because he can’t hold on to the ball. 

watching Bryce trying to run from a defender is like those slow motion African safari videos of a lion chasing down a gazelle. Dude can’t outrun anyone 

[Loyalty4Life]

4 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Bryce threw 30 check downs against the worst defense in the league playing prevent and his defenders are ready to die for him again. 

my lord 

You take what the defense gives you.  If the D is loading up not to get beat deep you throw underneath and the check downs because everything else is covered.  The Prevent defense is named because it prevents deep passes.  

In this situation, it's what every team would have done.

[theinstrumental]

He was bad again yesterday. It's a little early to declare it completely over, especially if the justification is some armchair psychology--he's still young, and those things can change. But it's not going to happen fast, this is probably going to be a rough year, and he definitely doesn't deserve an extension yet. He's going to have to overcome a lot this year: a deteriorating offensive line, a bad record, and fan/media/contract pressure. I'm rooting for him, but I don't expect it to end well.

[45catfan]

2 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

You take what the defense gives you.  If the D is loading up not to get beat deep you throw underneath and the check downs because everything else is covered.  The Prevent defense is named because it prevents deep passes.  

In this situation, it's what every team would have done.

Yes, but it's only in these circumstances where he thrives, that's the problem  He can't be a true franchise QB and wait until the game is out of reach when the defense goes into prevent defense to finally flip on his baller switch.