Can we all admit it now?

[Loyalty4Life]

13 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Yes, but it's only in these circumstances where he thrives, that's the problem  He can't be a true franchise QB and wait until the game is out of reach when the defense goes into prevent defense to finally flip on his baller switch.

Survey says that is a lie.

Last year.  Nawlins, Giants, Chiefs, Eagles, Bucks, Cards, Falcons.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

Survey says that is a lie.

Last year.  Nawlins, Giants, Chiefs, Eagles, Bucks, Cards, Falcons.

Yeah, Bryce actually started playing when we had nothing left to play for. Kinda like yesterday.

[PNW_PantherMan]

It’s just flat out reality denial at this point.  There’s no room to defend the play of Bryce Young any longer.  Everybody knows it.  Dan Morgan knows it.  Dave Canales knows it.  Adam Thielen knew it.  It’s time to give it up and face the music.  The music of college game day Saturday:

[Jay Roosevelt]

33 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Bryce threw 30 check downs against the worst defense in the league playing prevent and his defenders are ready to die for him again. 

my lord 

I don't think it's fair to say all he did was take checkdowns against prevent defense. He did make some really nice throws that helped get us back in the game. Arizona may have been playing prevent on that first drive we scored on in the 3rd, but not after that.

Do I think Bryce is the answer at QB? No; at this point that is clear, but I will give him credit when it's due.

However, as has been said, a quality starting QB doesn't only come alive when the game is out of hand; they play well enough from the start to ensure the game never does get out of hand.

I will say, though, it doesn't help when we're asking him to play with one WR (XL) that is essentially just a decoy.

[Loyalty4Life]

35 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, Bryce actually started playing when we had nothing left to play for. Kinda like yesterday.

The fundamental lie that is repeatedly ignored is that have a mathematical chance to make the playoffs is the only pressure an NFL QB feels.

NFL is nothing but pressure.  Every game.  Every snap.

You play to win.  You play to keep your job. 

Now, the talking point is moving from he can't play at all to he only plays well when the pressure of the playoffs no longer exists.  

It's beyond dumb especially for a team that almost no one expects to be a playoff team given we are barely over a year into the Canales, Morgan, Bryce era.

In fact, Id say the pressure on losing teams without much recent success and a lot of turnover in players and staff is is very high and gets worse with every loss.

Edited 3 hours ago by Loyalty4Life

[electro's horse]

40 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

Survey says that is a lie.

Last year.  Nawlins, Giants, Chiefs, Eagles, Bucks, Cards, Falcons.

In the 4th quarter of the giants game last year, Bryce managed one first down, one fumble, on three possessions, while giving up the lead. 

They won in overtime on a four play, five yard fg drive after Daniel jones fumbled the first snap. 

youre imagining things 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Loyalty4Life said:

The fundamental lie that is repeatedly ignored is that have a mathematical chance to make the playoffs is the only pressure an NFL QB feels.

NFL is nothing but pressure.  Every game.  Every snap.

You play to win.  You play to keep your job. 

Now, the talking point is moving from he can't play at all to he only plays well when the pressure of the playoffs no longer exists.  

It's beyond dumb especially for a team that almost no one expects to be a playoff team given we are barely over a year into the Canales, Morgan, Bryce era.

The talking point is that Bryce sucks and we're losing games in large part because Bryce sucks. It's the folks desperately trying to cling to hope who have to come up with alternate narratives. The reality is what it is and our record is what it is. Is Bryce the only issue we have? No. Far from it. Is he part of the problem though? Absolutely. The focus is on him because the QB always gets too much credit when things are going well and too much blame when it isn't. That's just the reality of the QB position. But we traded a fortune to get Bryce because we thought we were getting a guy who could help carry our team and instead we got a guy who has to be carried and now due to the trade we're struggling to put the type of roster around him that might give him a chance to at least be serviceable. We failed both ourselves and Bryce with that trade. Now let me he clear, I don't think he's a starting NFL QB, period. But he's certainly not a starting NFL QB if he's on an offensive roster that isn't absolutely elite.

[carpanfan96]

1 hour ago, Loyalty4Life said:

I don't know what the right protection call is to stop those stunts or even if there is one.

Are twists and stunt successful because a protection wasn't called correctly or because the oline and RB did not execute correctly.  I know some teams leave those calls to the center.

I don't know enough about that aspect of the game to define fault.  If that is a problem Bryce has always had dating back to college it would seem an easy fix to take that off his plate.

Line protection is on the QB. He's supposed to get to the line, read the defense, call an audible/ protection and hike the ball and execute. 

[CRA]

48 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

Survey says that is a lie.

Last year.  Nawlins, Giants, Chiefs, Eagles, Bucks, Cards, Falcons.

Yeah, Bryce Young didn't actually play well in a LOT of those games you are listing.  This is part of the comeback myth.  He wasn't balling in a lot of those games you are pretending he did. 

He didn't ball vs the Eagles.  or the Giants. or Cards. or Saints.  60% for 160 yards isn't an example of Bryce Young "bringing it".  That's what he did in those 4 games.  

KC and Tampa Bryce was basically just NFL average. 

He had a great one game of his career vs Atlanta. 

The Bryce Curve is what people use to view 2024.  He wasn't good.  And we should of rebuilt our QB room under the realistic assumption he would likely need to benched in 2025 (we didn't).

 

 

[Bear Hands]

Even people excited about him in the media had admitted a few concessions last year.  At best, you're getting Good-Tua and Brock Purdy.  I don't think that's what we want to aim for at 1.01, but now, I don't think we're even getting that at best.  

We're nearing the end.  It will take a few more weeks, but I don't think there's a way back for him with this franchise unless he somehow starts winning and producing points and scoring drives when given the opportunity.    

6-26 in 32 starts.  Has already been benched and came back.  There's not much runway left.  He's gotta start winning or else this is simply done.  

 

[PNW_PantherMan]

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

And we should of rebuilt our QB room under the realistic assumption he would likely need to benched in 2025 (we didn't).

They didn't because people would be calling for Jameis Winston (or whatever cast off that would be an instant upgrade) to start right now.

[carpanfan96]

5 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

Even people excited about him in the media had admitted a few concessions last year.  At best, you're getting Good-Tua and Brock Purdy.  I don't think that's what we want to aim for at 1.01, but now, I don't think we're even getting that at best.  

We're nearing the end.  It will take a few more weeks, but I don't think there's a way back for him with this franchise unless he somehow starts winning and producing points and scoring drives when given the opportunity.    

6-26 in 32 starts.  Has already been benched and came back.  There's not much runway left.  He's gotta start winning or else this is simply done.  

 

This experiment (that's what it is when you draft a 5-11 190lb QB) should have been over at this point, not another game to see what he has or any of that mess. 

 

He can't read defenses, he can't play in the NFL unless it's against prevent defense. Just bench him and move on. 

[Bear Hands]

Just now, PNW_PantherMan said:

They didn't because people would be calling for Jameis Winston (or whatever cast off that would be an instant upgrade) to start right now.

Which could've been a crutch for Canales to at least fall back on.

Honestly, if the wheels truly fall off in the coming weeks, I think bringing back Taylor Heinicke could be an interesting route rather than going back to Dalton again.  He's a FA who has enough starting experience to get us through the season.  Dalton was BAD after his initial volume game against Vegas.  

The only viable QB I notice that could produce and maybe stick as a future bridge or backup is Jarrett Stidham.  But unsure someone like that is worth trading for.  

I think we're looking at current FAs if the wheels fall off.  

 

[electro's horse]

6 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

Even people excited about him in the media had admitted a few concessions last year.  At best, you're getting Good-Tua and Brock Purdy.  I don't think that's what we want to aim for at 1.01, but now, I don't think we're even getting that at best.  

We're nearing the end.  It will take a few more weeks, but I don't think there's a way back for him with this franchise unless he somehow starts winning and producing points and scoring drives when given the opportunity.    

6-26 in 32 starts.  Has already been benched and came back.  There's not much runway left.  He's gotta start winning or else this is simply done.  

 

We won’t play a team with a winning record until week 8

Panthers have the most dogshit first half schedule in the league. 

Like the dolphins might not even have a coach by the time we play them.