Thielen update

[Icege]

The luchador in question.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Icege said:

No tailgate, no excuses!

(The real excuse is that a cat jumped on my balls at 4am and I haven't been able to go back to sleep because the fat poo keeps climbing back up on the dresser that he leapt from no matter how many times I take him down or what I put to block the path.)

I think ultimately Stroud passes the "eye test" so it's a matter of whether he will get it together again. Would a change of scenery help, etc? If he keeps declining, you have to wonder if he was just a flash in the pan early. That can happen to rookies.

Poor Bryce......it's just hard to really pin anything down that he does well. If you really start breaking down individual QB specific abilities, it's hard to say he does anything at even an average NFL starting level. 

I think Bryce's leash ends up ultimately being shorter because he just doesn't have the advantage that CJ does with coming out of the gate hot in his rookie season. Also, DC didn't draft him and has already benched him. 

[kungfoodude]

Just now, Icege said:

The luchador in question.

Goddamn that is a hefty MFer. 

[Icege]

10 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think ultimately Stroud passes the "eye test" so it's a matter of whether he will get it together again. Would a change of scenery help, etc? If he keeps declining, you have to wonder if he was just a flash in the pan early. That can happen to rookies.

Poor Bryce......it's just hard to really pin anything down that he does well. If you really start breaking down individual QB specific abilities, it's hard to say he does anything at even an average NFL starting level. 

I think Bryce's leash ends up ultimately being shorter because he just doesn't have the advantage that CJ does with coming out of the gate hot in his rookie season. Also, DC didn't draft him and has already benched him. 

Totally fair assessment + criticisms. The breaking down of abilities though... he really is and has been processing things at a high level. The rookie season to forget, while many casual fans were upset that their eye test was being failed, many folks that know ball saw the insanity taking place with the highly touted coaching staff that end up being the biggest bust we have seen in a long time, an injury-riddled OL, and subpar weapons. Those were called excuses then and now.

Hell, even the criticisms about Bryce's arm strength seem to revolve around plays where he was unable to set his feet and deliver the ball. Not always, but there's been enough video showing stuff for example how many catchable deep balls thrown that aren't due to receivers not holding on.

The difference in how the team handled the blitz in week 3 makes me wonder how much of those first two weeks' blitz pick-up issues were on Corbett.

I think Stroud should be fine so long as he doesnt regress to how he was in college for all but the Georgia game. Pressure would really, really rattle him. That was the main reason why 3wks before the draft I put Bryce as 1a and CJ as 1b. Before anyone thinks that I'm just arguing to be right, I also thought that Max Duggan was a mid-round steal so being right clearly isnt that important to me as much as it is figuring out where I got it wrong (the league just wasnt ready for Max's greatness... ).

Edited 5 hours ago by Icege

[ForJimmy]

Stroud will be fine. Yeah they need to fix his OL they stripped apart and yeah he is currently playing bad with his new OC and no OL. The main difference is Stroud showed what he can be for a whole season his rookie year, plus went to the playoffs in each of his first two seasons. I believe he is 2-2 in the playoffs at a very young age for a franchise that was the 2nd worst when they drafted him. This season looks bad but it’s also very early. I will say that this season so far gives you a glimpse of how Stroud would look here. It’s still very much a team sport and always will be. 

[mrcompletely11]

2 hours ago, Icege said:

Looks like CJ got carried by his teammates because in year 3 he has less passing yards and TDs than Bryce with more INTs.  

Full disclosure: I think CJ is fine and understand the issues with the team but am enjoying watching the same folks say "NO EXCUSES!!" for Bryce snap their spine in two bending over backwards to give CJ those same "excuses" they denied Bryce. Kungfu doesnt do that, but considering how much you advocate for passing yards as a primary QB metric for success... well... 

Please show me a post where I am making an excuse for stroud.  He isnt playing well for sure, but you see,  what you absolutely are either being willfully obtuse and simple too stupid to understand is that Stroud has shown the talent to not only win his division but to win in the playoffs.   With bryce...........well you know how what he can and cant do.

[LinvilleGorge]

23 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Please show me a post where I am making an excuse for stroud.  He isnt playing well for sure, but you see,  what you absolutely are either being willfully obtuse and simple too stupid to understand is that Stroud has shown the talent to not only win his division but to win in the playoffs.   With bryce...........well you know how what he can and cant do.

I don't see how this is hard to understand. Folks are dunking over Stroud regressing to Bryce levels while seemingly failing to understand that it's a lot more about Stroud regressing, not Bryce improving and at least Stroud has shown that he can be a high level NFL QB. And there's still that inconvenience of the reality that a LOT of Bryce's stats production comes in garbage time against soft zone defense because our opponent is nursing a big lead. The level of cope for some is just comical.

[raleigh-panther]

16 hours ago, Navy_football said:

So you really think he can't throw to the endzone from the 50? I'm not saying he has the strongest arm in the NFL, but he has more than enough arm to make all the on schedule throws. Now, I agree he ain't gonna be throwing across his body 45 yards down the field. He ain't that. 

Many nfl qbs can throw it from the 50

…then there are those who know how to throw in rhythm and layers 

…velocity is very important in the nfl due to the closing speed of NFL CBs    It simply cannot hang in the air 

i have not seen Young have those qualities at the NFL level.  

i dont care what he did in college, nfl is a different beast 

i read  that  the rookie WR Horn has been activated…the only true speedster on the roster.  Let’s see what Canales calls   The patriots are great against the run, not so much the pass

my true feeling is either Young or Canales will not be in Carolina for the 2027 season. Young is too limiting on the playbook.  They will keep him in year 4 and then  trade him 

this season tells the tale 

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23 hours ago, AceBoogie said:

You can criticize the entire operation. Bryce included. Here’s the truth. Bryce was a better college football player than anyone on the roster. The roster around him ain’t good enough. Period. We aren’t at a place where we can have a serious QB convo. Look at Sam last night and Baker the last two years. It’s the team, it’s the organization. Yall think it’s a coincidence that the same teams never have QB issues? 

Tetairoa McMillan arguably did much more with less as a collegiate. Relative to the problems that they played for, and the players that they played with, there is an argument that T-Mac was the better college football player. 

[LinvilleGorge]

On 9/26/2025 at 9:47 AM, AceBoogie said:

You can criticize the entire operation. Bryce included. Here’s the truth. Bryce was a better college football player than anyone on the roster. The roster around him ain’t good enough. Period. We aren’t at a place where we can have a serious QB convo. Look at Sam last night and Baker the last two years. It’s the team, it’s the organization. Yall think it’s a coincidence that the same teams never have QB issues? 

Stop. I'll take this offensive roster with Cam at QB over the roster Cam carried to a SB. Straight up. Greg Olsen is the only one I'd be losing off the 2015 roster that would have me saying "damn, that's gonna be hard to replace".

*I should add Ryan Kalil to that list too but overall, I honestly think our current OL is at least as good as that one. That one had an edge inside and this one has an edge at OT. 

[Icege]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't see how this is hard to understand. Folks are dunking over Stroud regressing to Bryce levels while seemingly failing to understand that it's a lot more about Stroud regressing, not Bryce improving and at least Stroud has shown that he can be a high level NFL QB. And there's still that inconvenience of the reality that a LOT of Bryce's stats production comes in garbage time against soft zone defense because our opponent is nursing a big lead. The level of cope for some is just comical.

It's even easier than that.

CJ was said to have elevated his team rather the entire team elevating one another. However, the team is 0-3 with CJ's stats being worse than Bryce's this year.

Defense? Weapons? Coaching? Those were called excuses for Bryce, but they're now called reasons for CJ? The hypocrisy is deafening.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Icege said:

It's even easier than that.

CJ was said to have elevated his team rather the entire team elevating one another. However, the team is 0-3 with CJ's stats being worse than Bryce's this year.

Defense? Weapons? Coaching? Those were called excuses for Bryce, but they're now called reasons for CJ? The hypocrisy is deafening.

Which part of "Stroud has regressed" did you fail to interpret?

[Icege]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Stop. I'll take this offensive roster with Cam at QB over the roster Cam carried to a SB. Straight up. Greg Olsen is the only one I'd be losing off the 2015 roster that would have me saying "damn, that's gonna be hard to replace".

*I should add Ryan Kalil to that list too but overall, I honestly think our current OL is at least as good as that one. That one had an edge inside and this one has an edge at OT. 

JStew > Chuba

Olsen, Dickson > Tremble, Sanders

Oher/Norwell/Kalil/Turner/Remmers > Icky/DLew/Mays/Zavala/Moton

The WR room is probably the only group better than the 2015 team.

[Icege]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Which part of "Stroud has regressed" did you fail to interpret?

There was nothing to interpret. You failed to mention the hypocrisy of how folks call Stroud's issues reasons for his struggles but call it excuses for Bryce which was already explained.