Should we roll the dice on....

[LinvilleGorge]

12 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

There's the catch-22.  We win a few meaningless games and end up in that 7-10 draft slot purgatory we seem to always be in.  Yes, we get a good player, but just miss out on the elite ones.  I know the staff is coaching for their jobs, but it seems to be a vicious cycle that keeps us where we are today.

Again, I get it from a fans perspective. I'm just looking at it from the Morgan/Canales perspective. If we end up with a top 3 pick looking like we currently look they're gone. If we end up with a top 10ish pick but showing some type of hope they might have a chance.

These constant resets aren't working. If you fire this current crew while keeping them basically saddled to the Bryce experiment and the DC that you told them they were retaining them you didn't really even give it a chance.

Do I think that Morgan/Canales are the answer? I'm very doubtful. But I also realize that no one with other options is coming to Carolina so we're looking at replacing them with similar level candidates and just praying that a scratch off lottery ticket hits. At some point you have to at least start convincing the front office/coaching talent pool that they're going to get a fair shake in Carolina and right now I think there's the opposite feeling out there and for good reason.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Again, I get it from a fans perspective. I'm just looking at it from the Morgan/Canales perspective. If we end up with a top 3 pick looking like we currently look they're gone. If we end up with a top 10ish pick but showing some type of hope they might have a chance.

These constant resets aren't working. If you fire this current crew while keeping them basically saddled to the Bryce experiment and the DC that you told them they were retaining them you didn't really even give it a chance.

Bryce is done here. The next coach will get his qb not named Bryce Young.

[PNW_PantherMan]

There are no reinforcements coming.  13 more games of Brycemas.

[PleaseCutStewart]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Go get me Jameis or Howell. Get me a guy who has proven he can put up numbers. Forget the turnovers, we just need to see if Canales can field an offense that can produce given a QB with NFL tools. The Bryce question feels answered. Now we need to answer the Canales question.

The reality is that Shedeur has looked like ass except against our camp bodies - the camp bodies of one of if not the worst team in the league. He looked like ass against our primary backups. He didn't do anything until we were playing Amazon warehouse workers.

I second this (for next year if we don't like a QB in this year's draft). Winston will make the guaranteed 5 dumb passes in a game you pray don't get picked off, but otherwise the dude is capable of making throws the elite QBs in the NFL can make. Would be a good way to judge how good of routes the receivers are running

Edited 3 hours ago by PleaseCutStewart

[SmokinwithWilly]

15 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Thats not an excuse to trade for another piss poor qb. Canales chose this route and on that alone I can determine his prowess as a head coach. Bringing in a practice squad qb is not going to change anything on this offense. 

I'm not sure that he did chose this route and that in itself is a whole different can of worms. I still firmly believe that Tepper is forcing the Bryce issue and has since day 1. Now Canales may have signed up for it originally, but at some point, you have to let a coach coach. And I also believe any other potential coaches are going to look at Frank, DC, the whole draft debacle with BY, Dave and Nicole's involvement, and probably decline if they believe Tepper is going to tell them how to run the locker room. 

Trading a round 6 or 7 pick does 2 things. First, it gives DC a chance to run the offense he actually designed and two, it shows any other future candidates that Tepper isn't going to dictate the way they operate the locker room. 

Whether you think DC is a good coach or not, Teppers fingerprints are all over the way this team is being run and if some of that doesnt get cleared away, the only coaches or GMs that will come here will be from New Albuquerque State Polytechnic School of Fashion and Design. 

[45catfan]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Again, I get it from a fans perspective. I'm just looking at it from the Morgan/Canales perspective. If we end up with a top 3 pick looking like we currently look they're gone. If we end up with a top 10ish pick but showing some type of hope they might have a chance.

These constant resets aren't working. If you fire this current crew while keeping them basically saddled to the Bryce experiment and the DC that you told them they were retaining them you didn't really even give it a chance.

If Tepper doesn't give the green light to bench Young, then they can point to the fact they are saddled with a QB that doesn't give them a chance to win consistently.  This is ALL Tepper's making.  He knows it and why I think no matter how bad it gets, Morgan and Canales gets to start '26, most certainly without Bryce Young.  Then if the suckitude continues, heads will roll.

[kungfoodude]

26 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

Bring Jameis in. I feel we have our answer on Bryce, now we need to see about Canales. I don’t think Canales is a good coach, but it’s obvious he needs a gunslinger to run his offense. Jameis will be able to do that, while showing that the offensive pieces that we have aren’t that bad. 

There is really no reason to just plug a TO machine gunslinger from a results perspective. It's not going to accomplish anything from a W's and L's standpoint. It probably wouldn't even accomplish much from an evaluation of offense/offensive player standpoint.

I do understand it from a fan's perspective. At least it's interesting to watch on Sunday, albeit ultimately maddening in the end.

If they have to bench Bryce, just turn it over to Dalton. He can pilot a sinking ship more effectively than Bryce anyway. It will still sink but he might buy you enough time to offload some assets.

[LinvilleGorge]

25 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Thats not an excuse to trade for another piss poor qb. Canales chose this route and on that alone I can determine his prowess as a head coach. Bringing in a practice squad qb is not going to change anything on this offense. 

I'm not at all convinced that Canales and/or Morgan chose this route. I honestly find it doubtful that they wouldn't have preferred to upgrade the backup QB position. Maybe they honestly didn't. I don't know. But it really felt like we went into this off-season all in on the Bryce train again and that seems like something that would've come from the top. I don't see football people willingly forgoing an obvious weak spot on their roster at the most important position in the game.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

There is really no reason to just plug a TO machine gunslinger from a results perspective. It's not going to accomplish anything from a W's and L's standpoint. It probably wouldn't even accomplish much from an evaluation of offense/offensive player standpoint.

I do understand it from a fan's perspective. At least it's interesting to watch on Sunday, albeit ultimately maddening in the end.

If they have to bench Bryce, just turn it over to Dalton. He can pilot a sinking ship more effectively than Bryce anyway. It will still sink but he might buy you enough time to offload some assets.

It helps to answer the Canales question. With the Bryce question answered now we have to work on the lingering big question. I'm out on Bryce and Evero. Now we gotta work on the Canales question.

[PNW_PantherMan]

I think we already know the answer to the Canales question.  The fact that he insists on being the play caller is enough for me.  The team is soft and is constantly outcoached.  Play calling has not been good, Bryce or not.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, SmokinwithWilly said:

I'm not sure that he did chose this route and that in itself is a whole different can of worms. I still firmly believe that Tepper is forcing the Bryce issue and has since day 1. Now Canales may have signed up for it originally, but at some point, you have to let a coach coach. And I also believe any other potential coaches are going to look at Frank, DC, the whole draft debacle with BY, Dave and Nicole's involvement, and probably decline if they believe Tepper is going to tell them how to run the locker room. 

Trading a round 6 or 7 pick does 2 things. First, it gives DC a chance to run the offense he actually designed and two, it shows any other future candidates that Tepper isn't going to dictate the way they operate the locker room. 

Whether you think DC is a good coach or not, Teppers fingerprints are all over the way this team is being run and if some of that doesnt get cleared away, the only coaches or GMs that will come here will be from New Albuquerque State Polytechnic School of Fashion and Design. 

I'm not buying that Tepper is forcing the issue. If he was Young would have never been benched in the first place. Now I believe that Dan could have pushed to give DC a chance to see if Young can be salvaged or believed that he could. But the line-up is completely on DC and DM. Tepper is too quick to dump a failing asset so Young doesn't have job security from Tepper anymore. That shipped sailed last season. 

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I'm not buying that Tepper is forcing the issue. If he was Young would have never been benched in the first place. Now I believe that Dan could have pushed to give DC a chance to see if Young can be salvaged or believed that he could. But the line-up is completely on DC and DM. Tepper is too quick to dump a failing asset so Young doesn't have job security from Tepper anymore. That shipped sailed last season. 

I'm a lot less certain about that. Maybe. But I could also see Teller being minded like the Bryce stans here who were convinced last year that he'd turned the corner and that we had to just keep building around him.  If that was the case going in surely he has to be over it by now.

[PNW_PantherMan]

I realize Tepper sucks, but I think it's much more likely that Dan and Dave just aren't very good at their jobs.  I don't know that I buy there was a block from ownership on bringing in any backup QBs this offseason.

I think DM and DC thought they'd be fine.  Bryce is back and they like having Andy around the office.

Edited 2 hours ago by PNW_PantherMan

[SmokinwithWilly]

3 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I'm not buying that Tepper is forcing the issue. If he was Young would have never been benched in the first place. Now I believe that Dan could have pushed to give DC a chance to see if Young can be salvaged or believed that he could. But the line-up is completely on DC and DM. Tepper is too quick to dump a failing asset so Young doesn't have job security from Tepper anymore. That shipped sailed last season. 

Thats where we disagree then. I cant see a coach looking at what Dalton did last year and not wanting to at least try to improve the backup role. Not in any seriousness anyway. And why was Plummer back. He was hot garbage last TC and again this year. I just can't believe that we took the QB position seriously other than Bryce is our guy no matter what when they didnt even try to improve an ancient backup that already showed he wasnt good enough to be competitive.