Chuba Hubbard is expected to miss Week 5

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7 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Agree. Agree. Agree. Horn should get snaps based on being the only WR that can actually stretch the field and pressure safeties with speed. 

Legette can do it too I think and with him and Tet, they have to pay attention. Horn, we really ha en’t seen and while maybe he does run some fly stuff and get a shot, I have this picture in my head of him evading a tackle on a short gain and taking off with it. 
 

Also on this XL thing, there is a chance that he comes back wanting to prove something (and I know what people are gonna say he will prove, lol, but I am hoping it is in a good way).

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10 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Agree. Agree. Agree. Horn should get snaps based on being the only WR that can actually stretch the field and pressure safeties with speed. 

I will be shocked if Horn takes reps on the outside.  Hunter Renfrow is big compared to Horn.   

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

Who really gives a poo about this season anymore?

[d-dave]

Well, this is going to be interesting.

I was feeling confident we could beat them to death with Chubba and Rico, but it looks like that's not going to happen.

I think there's a real chance we can win this one.  Miami's D is not good, and their offense is beatable so long as you harass Tua.

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44 minutes ago, CRA said:

I will be shocked if Horn takes reps on the outside.  Hunter Renfrow is big compared to Horn.   

I wouldn't want to see him on the outside either. He can press safeties from the slot and allow TMac and company to work underneath. Safeties have to back up if a guy is streaking by them - even if Bryce refuses to look their way. 

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49 minutes ago, strato said:

Legette can do it too I think and with him and Tet, they have to pay attention. Horn, we really ha en’t seen and while maybe he does run some fly stuff and get a shot, I have this picture in my head of him evading a tackle on a short gain and taking off with it. 
 

Also on this XL thing, there is a chance that he comes back wanting to prove something (and I know what people are gonna say he will prove, lol, but I am hoping it is in a good way).

Legette isn't shifty enough. Just get a hand or body on him and he's all of a sudden a 4.7 guy. Which is fine honeslty. I'd rather see him play like he's 220 pounds than like he's a burner anyway. Gotta be able to out muscle 180 pounds CBs. Just have to. 

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2 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Legette isn't shifty enough. Just get a hand or body on him and he's all of a sudden a 4.7 guy. Which is fine honeslty. I'd rather see him play like he's 220 pounds than like he's a burner anyway. Gotta be able to out muscle 180 pounds CBs. Just have to. 

Yeah he has to man up. They aren’t little squirrels he has going against. 
This thing about speed and deep routes though, with our QB; I don’t think it is necessary because a burner will have to slow up. Not trying to start anything that’s just the way I see it. fact of life 

I don’t think we have to have Ted Ginn speed to do that. I think it is much closer to a Russell Wilson scenario. 

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11 minutes ago, strato said:

Yeah he has to man up. They aren’t little squirrels he has going against. 
This thing about speed and deep routes though, with our QB; I don’t think it is necessary because a burner will have to slow up. Not trying to start anything that’s just the way I see it. fact of life 

I don’t think we have to have Ted Ginn speed to do that. I think it is much closer to a Russell Wilson scenario. 

Got you. Don't want to hash out disagreements about the QB either. This is really about the WRs role in pressuring safeties. Speed will open up the field of play. We're constantly faced with all 11 defenders within 15 yards of the LOS. That's not a sustainable way to play offense. I think Carolina gets as much Cover 1 with a Robber defensive looks as they get Cover 2. That has to change. 

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Call me crazy but I don’t think there’s any drop off to Dowdle…

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2 hours ago, Bear Hands said:

Miami's defense is crap - 2nd worst in 3rd down conversion %, 26th in yards per game, no real threats.

 

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7 minutes ago, t96 said:

Call me crazy but I don’t think there’s any drop off to Dowdle…

I think Chuba is better in pass pro. I think Chuba does a better job setting up blockers, while Dowdle tends to just want to juke or outrun defenders. He has more big play potential, but probably won't get you the consistent numbers. He'll get you in more 3rd and long situations. Now I'm actually excited to see Etienne get more burn. That kid has big play ability written all over him. And he is NOT a punt returner. 

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55 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

I wouldn't want to see him on the outside either. He can press safeties from the slot and allow TMac and company to work underneath. Safeties have to back up if a guy is streaking by them - even if Bryce refuses to look their way. 

My concern remains Bryce doesn’t seem to be able to put a good ball on tiny a WR and and Horn gets blown up on intermediate-ish deep ball 

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2 minutes ago, CRA said:

My concern remains Bryce doesn’t seem to be able to put a good ball on tiny WR and and Horn gets blown up on intermediate-ish deep ball 

Not sure about the intermediate stuff. But I think Horn is more of what he's used to on deep routes. Small and quick/fast. Bryce really had to learn to put arc on those deep passes for the big plodders/long striders he's had with the Panthers. A guy like Horn has the shiftiness to adjust to deep passes with less arc. Hopefully they at least TRY to test that theory. Renfrow is not a deep threat. He has never in his career been a legitimate deep threat. 

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2 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Not sure about the intermediate stuff. But I think Horn is more of what he's used to on deep routes. Small and quick/fast. Bryce really had to learn to put arc on those deep passes for the big plodders/long striders he's had with the Panthers. A guy like Horn has the shiftiness to adjust to deep passes with less arc. Hopefully they at least TRY to test that theory. Renfrow is not a deep threat. He has never in his career been a legitimate deep threat. 

The Renfrow comment is just to highlight his ball placement really shows itself with tiny WRs and it’s bad.  Horn is even smaller by a decent margin.   And Bryce’s deeper throws often aren’t NFL deep balls.  I can just see Horn getting smashed because it should be obvious when they want to get him the ball