Bryce Young Is a Symptom, Not the Disease

[Candler Cat]

[strato]

Going back to the op, I sort of stopped at the anger mention.

If Bryce Young were a down draft flyer like he should have been, there wouldn’t be any anger because they wouldn’t keep shoving bad QB play down our throats in that situation. He’d just be gone and replaced by the next guy. No big deal. He would merely be a footnote in team history. 
 

We are not mad at him per se, we are for sure sick of watching him play quarterback for the team. And we get mad at the turnovers and subpar performance. That happens with every crappy QB and it comes with the territory. 
 

The only thing that gets you grace when you are stinking it up, is a track record of previous success. He has not earned any grace really, because he only has like one really good game in the bank. In 2 1/3 seasons and is showing no improvement this year. Just the same issues again. 

 

 

[cranky]

On 10/5/2025 at 8:28 AM, frankw said:

There are many unfortunate truths about this franchise. None of them change the fact that Bryce Young has basically no physical tools.

Brother you are being a simp. Nobody is blaming Bryce for literally everything. We're saying trying to build a successful NFL offense around his glaring deficiencies is not feasible and that was the catastrophic mistake we made in selecting him. It is what it is.

Here is the video.

Bryce Young doesn't make this throw. He wouldn't even be able to see the field let alone make use of a jag like Ian Thomas.

 

So what. JaMarcuss Russell and Trey Lance both had cannons for arms and could have made that pass as good if not better than Darnold but I certainly wouldn't want them here just because of that.

[frankw]

30 minutes ago, cranky said:

So what. JaMarcuss Russell and Trey Lance both had cannons for arms and could have made that pass as good if not better than Darnold but I certainly wouldn't want them here just because of that.

Russell and Lance didn't get nearly as many chances and excuses with the team that drafted them. 34 games and still arguing it's up in the air is just crazy talk let's be real.

[cranky]

16 minutes ago, frankw said:

Russell and Lance didn't get nearly as many chances and excuses with the team that drafted them. 34 games and still arguing it's up in the air is just crazy talk let's be real.

Just pointing out that it's not all about arm strength.

[frankw]

2 minutes ago, cranky said:

Just pointing out that it's not all about arm strength.

No it is not but without that you need to be incredibly savvy from the pocket and have a high football IQ and the ability to diagnose and react on the fly. That was supposed to be Bryce Young. And he has neither of those qualities.

[strato]

The guy from Marshall with the Jets, Pennington I think, had a weak arm but he had some size. He lasted a few years but never did much. 
The team says ‘it’s a big man’s game” and drafts a historically small player over every single other player. He doesn’t have ‘plus” anything and has a minus arm. It will never make sense. 

Edited October 6, 2025 by strato

[NAS]

3 hours ago, strato said:

Going back to the op, I sort of stopped at the anger mention.

If Bryce Young were a down draft flyer like he should have been, there wouldn’t be any anger because they wouldn’t keep shoving bad QB play down our throats in that situation. He’d just be gone and replaced by the next guy. No big deal. He would merely be a footnote in team history. 
 

We are not mad at him per se, we are for sure sick of watching him play quarterback for the team. And we get mad at the turnovers and subpar performance. That happens with every crappy QB and it comes with the territory. 
 

The only thing that gets you grace when you are stinking it up, is a track record of previous success. He has not earned any grace really, because he only has like one really good game in the bank. In 2 1/3 seasons and is showing no improvement this year. Just the same issues again. 

 

 

I think it’s made it difficult to move on when the entire operation has been dysfunctional.  And that has resulted in amplified resentment towards Bryce as the QB.  If he doesn’t improve significantly we need to move on but let’s base it on performance not the “I like my QB big and strong” argument which some can’t get past

[mrcompletely11]

3 minutes ago, NAS said:

I think it’s made it difficult to move on when the entire operation has been dysfunctional.  And that has resulted in amplified resentment towards Bryce as the QB.  If he doesn’t improve significantly we need to move on but let’s base it on performance not the “I like my QB big and strong” argument which some can’t get past

he literally had 2 turnovers yesterday because he isnt "big or strong

[Panthera onca]

Bryce is the disease. The worst kind of disease. The incurable kind that never goes away. We can all imagine what those are.

[strato]

23 minutes ago, NAS said:

I think it’s made it difficult to move on when the entire operation has been dysfunctional.  And that has resulted in amplified resentment towards Bryce as the QB.  If he doesn’t improve significantly we need to move on but let’s base it on performance not the “I like my QB big and strong” argument which some can’t get past

You are dumbing down that big and strong thing though. We are all well aware, you me and everyone else, that prototypical physical traits do not guarantee anything. 

Lack of them is a much better indicator. You are lost without the physical tools. I don’t understand why people stood on the table for inferior attributes that screamed long odds and thin margins. 
 

if we translate this to OL for instance, you aren’t drafting a 235 pound guard. You just aren’t. 

Edited October 6, 2025 by strato

[ForJimmy]

1 hour ago, frankw said:

Russell and Lance didn't get nearly as many chances and excuses with the team that drafted them. 34 games and still arguing it's up in the air is just crazy talk let's be real.

I still think Lance would be a good one to bring in this offseason.  Learned behind some good offensive coaches, has sat for a while now, has all you need physically, and has looked decent in the preseason and very limited snaps so far.  

[NAS]

21 minutes ago, strato said:

You are dumbing down that big and strong thing though. We are all well aware, you me and everyone else, that prototypical physical traits do not guarantee anything. 

Lack of them is a much better indicator. You are lost without the physical tools. I don’t understand why people stood on the table for inferior attributes that screamed long odds and thin margins. 
 

if we translate this to OL for instance, you aren’t drafting a 235 pound guard. You just aren’t. 

I have seen Young make some incredible throws that suggest arm strength isn’t an issue, on the run, going to his left etc.  however his height is an issue with pressure in his face

[PNW_PantherMan]

1 hour ago, strato said:

The guy from Marshall with the Jets, Pennington I think, had a weak arm but he had some size. He lasted a few years but never did much. 
The team says ‘it’s a big man’s game” and drafts a historically small player over every single other player. He doesn’t have ‘plus” anything and has a minus arm. It will never make sense. 

He had a big arm before he hurt his shoulder.  Noodle arm Pennington was out of the league pretty quick.