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LinvilleGorge Grand Master

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Just now, PNW_PantherMan said:

I think people are too invested on both sides.  The reality is that the rookie contract is a time window.  That window is running out.  It's possible that Bryce gets his own Flutie Flakes when he's 32 years old, but it's probably not gonna be with the Panthers.

Yep. We closing in on decision time. I'm out on Bryce, BUT I'm still open to picking up his option IF he continues to play as he has in recent weeks to buy us more time. But if he regresses again after a period of improved play as he has before we gotta just move on. Does Bryce honestly provide much of any lift over what you'd expect to get out of a journeyman NFL backup? His history of play suggests not. I need to see him continue to be an effective game manager before I'd be comfortably picking up his option and any consideration of a long-term contract should be completely off the table and out of the building.

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3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yep. We closing in on decision time. I'm out on Bryce, BUT I'm still open to picking up his option IF he continues to play as he has in recent weeks to buy us more time. But if he regresses again after a period of improved play as he has before we gotta just move on. Does Bryce honestly provide much of any lift over what you'd expect to get out of a journeyman NFL backup? His history of play suggests not. I need to see him continue to be an effective game manager before I'd be comfortably picking up his option and any consideration of a long-term contract should be completely off the table and out of the building.

The alternative is spinning the replacement level QB wheel.  Not particularly exciting either.  But we should at least bring one of them in this offseason.

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5 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

The alternative is spinning the replacement level QB wheel.  Not particularly exciting either.  But we should at least bring one of them in this offseason.

We should have brought one in last season for no other reason than if we were to make a playoff run with an improved Bryce from last year, you dont throw that away with an ancient Andy Dalton who already showed he's not capable of more than taking snaps if Bryce were injured. 

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11 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

The alternative is spinning the replacement level QB wheel.  Not particularly exciting either.  But we should at least bring one of them in this offseason.

Well, we did try that for several years unsuccessfully, so I do think that may be impacting Tepper's decision making.

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1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Well, we did try that for several years unsuccessfully, so I do think that may be impacting Tepper's decision making.

Yea but you're not supposed to trade 2nd round picks for them or give them big contracts in FA lol.  But I guess we did a lot better on giving Baker a shot.  Hardly cost a thing.

Which makes you think.  If you could get a guy like Baker for next to nothing, why wouldn't you?

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I love how the “OGs” boast of working at PFF means something (to him). 
 

I’ve been on this board for 20+ years, and it’s never not been a collection of dummies, smart asses, and whiny babies - including myself. But it’s good banter for the most part. 
 

If someone was truly a guru at football and was wasting their time spewing it here instead of turning it into millions of dollars running a team or coaching a position, that says more about them than any of the “idiots” on this board. 

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38 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's hard to lose a game with a 200+ yard RB.

Yeah 200 yards on the ground is a pretty good indication you are in the game all the way. 
We almost lost both though.

I have seen so much of this ‘damn people can’t be happy even when we win’ commenting, do they really believe we aren’t happy  for a win? 
There is the small picture of the week’s game and the big picture of the overall situation; some people can do both at once.

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I love how the “OGs” boast of working at PFF means something (to him). 
 

I’ve been on this board for 20+ years, and it’s never not been a collection of dummies, smart asses, and whiny babies - including myself. But it’s good banter for the most part. 
 

If someone was truly a guru at football and was wasting their time spewing it here instead of turning it into millions of dollars running a team or coaching a position, that says more about them than any of the “idiots” on this board. 

And all the while we have a pretty good consensus on who to draft and not draft. 
 

I picture the scene from Moneyball where the head scout gets fired. “You say you know, but you don’t Know” when I see some of these front office types. 

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1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, if you can find a GOAT level QB willing to play at a discount because his supermodel wife is bringing in even more that's a sweet deal... and because he craves success due to being completely looked over in the draft and forever wants to prove everyone wrong due to that. The problem is that has proven so far to be a one of one situation.

Even with Brady factored in, The Patriots still built good teams. At least up till Belichick started screwing it up. 

I'd add though that the "superstar" formula, while it mostly centers around quarterbacks, isn't strictly limited to them. Best nkn-QB example is probably the Barry Sanders Lions.

They never had (or never spent) the money It would have taken to build the kind of OL that would have made Sanders even more productive than he already was.

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33 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Even with Brady factored in, The Patriots still built good teams. At least up till Belichick started screwing it up. 

I'd add though that the "superstar" formula, while it mostly centers around quarterbacks, isn't strictly limited to them. Best nkn-QB example is probably the Barry Sanders Lions.

They never had (or never spent) the money It would have taken to build the kind of OL that would have made Sanders even more productive than he already was.

Yeah, if you can build a dynasty you can get aging ring chasing vets to sign on at a discount. That's what floated the Patriots for years while Belichick drafted like Fitterer.

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2 hours ago, HeelsPanthersCanes said:

If someone was truly a guru at football and was wasting their time spewing it here instead of turning it into millions of dollars running a team or coaching a position, that says more about them than any of the “idiots” on this board. 

Making millions in the coaching/analysis side of football is a lot like making it as a band in the Spotify era, you need a hell of a lot of luck and to know a lot of the right people. I know way too many excellent assistant coaches who live week to week barely supporting their families even for big-name programs at the college or pro level. While I enjoyed my time involved in it, it got old fast, the crunch is real, and I moved on to less demanding and more profitable fields.

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      2027: Sharing my thoughts on the cap without a lotta research

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      No. Physical tools alone aren't enough. There are plenty of examples of draft busts to support that. Aost all of them had the physical tools and that wasn't enough. But Bryce is a perfect example of the opposite. Absolutely elite intangibles aren't enough either. If you simply don't have the physical abilities all the football intelligence and work ethic in the world won't be enough to overcome it. Just look to the sidelines every Sunday. We call those people "coaches".
    • SmokinwithWilly
      2027: Sharing my thoughts on the cap without a lotta research

      By SmokinwithWilly · Posted

      As much as I despise Billy B, his philosophy on QBs is how I would approach things if I were a GM. You always keep looking for your next starter.  He has Bledsoe, who got injured and his backup ended up being the GOAT. Even while he had that going, he kept getting his next guy and developing them. When Brady got hurt, Cassel stepped in and went 11-5 and they missed the wild card by dumb luck. Who knows how far they would have gone if they had gotten in. Jimmy Gs career started in NE. There were others, but he always kept looking.  You can't be afraid to keep looking for your next starter, but it looks like we're afraid to look for more than a marginal one. If you're going to offer a $25m contract with incentives, that screams marginal QB. It also screams you're just a transition until we find our guy. After a 10 or 11 win season, he's not accepting that offer. And then you're in a Daniel Jones situation. Do you pay for a year of success and pray it wasn't a one year wonder?  To this point, Bryce has really produced nothing, yet for whatever reason, our FO has not even sniffed at the idea that we need a real QB room with real QBs. Dalton was never starter potential, Plummer was a joke. KP certainly isn't, neither is Grier.  Our approach to the QB room needs to be one of strength not fear. Bring in guys who can compete or who you think can compete. This is THE elite position, in an elite sport, paid premium salary, where production matters. Either you produce or you can lose your job. It's not mean, it's just the reality of the position.  And I'm really just tired of our candy ass approach to it. 
    • LinvilleGorge
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      If you plug Bryce onto the Pro Bowl roster you might have a chance to compete for a SB. If he's surrounded by top tier talent with a top tier defense on the other side, a field flipping punter, and a kicker good from 60+ you might have a chance. But that means you basically have to recreate Saban's Bama in the NFL and that's impossible... and Bryce couldn't win a championship in that environment either. What the Panthers didn't realize when they got so obsessed with his "PG mentality" was that what they were looking st was a "barely checks the box PG". The basketball equivalent of Bryce would be an undersized PG with marginal athleticism who can make the basic plays but adds nothing to the team in terms of elevating the overall team. Not a great shooter, not a great defender, not a great driver. Just a guy who can basically get you into the offense and be a matador on defense. Basically a placeholder while you look to upgrade the PG position. 
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