Bryce's Achilles Heel Is Not What You Think It Is

[CRA]

22 minutes ago, mrBdawg said:

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/iBZY75KLCwE

No. We do not. Why do you people insist our nfl quarterback cannot throw the ball 50 yards when he’s done it standing still with rushers in his face 

Because 2 coaches have not allowed him to do it.  And in a real Hail Mary scenario the throw is  further than the clip shown and likey doesn’t allow a clean setup. You can’t go over the top.  So you have to let WRs get downfield and the technical throw is going to be further and as you have to drop back to by time and likely won’t have an ideal setup. 
 

 

[kungfoodude]

This thread is turning into bizarro world.

Most of the anti-Bryce crowd was heavily pro CJ Stroud so I am confused how that ties into any racial element. 

Not saying we still don't have some of that crowd in here but it's not like the Prime Cam years where this place was rife with those types. 

The anti-Bryce sentiment SEEMS to MOSTLY be rooted in his underwhelming physical stature/abilities and/or his underwhelming overall career to date.

All this being amplified by the massive trade haul we gave away for him. So, technically we have missed the opportunity to draft Jaden Daniels AND passed on CJ Stroud. Fairly or not, Bryce hasn't measured up to those type of players at all. 

[PleaseCutStewart]

His (literal) Achilles heel is the dude refuses to throw off his front foot and tries to throw Kobe fadeaways for no freaking reason... He actually threw off his front foot in the Dallas game a few times and those were some of his best looking throws of the season.

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

His (literal) Achilles heel is the dude refuses to throw off his front foot and tries to throw Kobe fadeaways for no freaking reason... He actually threw off his front foot in the Dallas game a few times and those were some of his best looking throws of the season.

His happy feet are reminiscent of David Carr.

[PleaseCutStewart]

5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

His happy feet are reminiscent of David Carr.

I wish that was the excuse he could use (dancing around scared of getting sacked). But how the coaches haven't drilled in his head to step forward into his throws (so that way his passes have some strength and so he doesn't sail it over the receivers head) is crazy to me.

He doesn't have the Cam arm strength to get away with crappy footwork. He honestly should have been benched until that got sorted out. It would be like a golfer having all kinds of mechanical issues in his golf swing and being like screw it, I can win the Masters instead of having his swing analyzed and figuring out where he is screwing up in the swing and fixing it...

Edited 6 hours ago by PleaseCutStewart

[SmokinwithWilly]

12 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

This thread is turning into bizarro world.

Most of the anti-Bryce crowd was heavily pro CJ Stroud so I am confused how that ties into any racial element. 

Not saying we still don't have some of that crowd in here but it's not like the Prime Cam years where this place was rife with those types. 

The anti-Bryce sentiment SEEMS to MOSTLY be rooted in his underwhelming physical stature/abilities and/or his underwhelming overall career to date.

All this being amplified by the massive trade haul we gave away for him. So, technically we have missed the opportunity to draft Jaden Daniels AND passed on CJ Stroud. Fairly or not, Bryce hasn't measured up to those type of players at all. 

Also, one of the most frequent QBs mentioned to be brought in via trade has been Winston. Ive been one of the anti-Bryce since the beginning and its had to do with 3 things, physical attributes, that S2 hype BS and his god awful footwork. The footwork thing is painful. Like Greg Little at the combine painful. 

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Also, one of the most frequent QBs mentioned to be brought in via trade has been Winston. Ive been one of the anti-Bryce since the beginning and its had to do with 3 things, physical attributes, that S2 hype BS and his god awful footwork. The footwork thing is painful. Like Greg Little at the combine painful. 

Yeah, I don't want to keep dragging this nonsensical racial element into it but most of the league's biggest QB stars are black QB's. This isn't the 80's/90's or even 2000's. The bulk of NFL fans TODAY just want a MFer who is good at their job and can play at a high level. 

Now college football.....that poo still has a LOT of what he was talking about. Especially in SEC land. Heard it personally even in recent times.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

24 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

This thread is turning into bizarro world.

Most of the anti-Bryce crowd was heavily pro CJ Stroud so I am confused how that ties into any racial element. 

Not saying we still don't have some of that crowd in here but it's not like the Prime Cam years where this place was rife with those types. 

The anti-Bryce sentiment SEEMS to MOSTLY be rooted in his underwhelming physical stature/abilities and/or his underwhelming overall career to date.

All this being amplified by the massive trade haul we gave away for him. So, technically we have missed the opportunity to draft Jaden Daniels AND passed on CJ Stroud. Fairly or not, Bryce hasn't measured up to those type of players at all. 

Truly bizarre. We have a poster who shows back up claiming deep scouting knowledge and his very own QB analytical system that admittedly ranks Bryce 25th among NFL QBs this season stumping hard for Bryce and trying to convince everyone their eyes are lying to them and his arm isn't much of a limiting factor at all.

Make it make sense. I can't.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Truly bizarre. We have a poster who shows back up claiming deep scouting knowledge and his very own QB analytical system that admittedly ranks Bryce 25th among NFL QBs this season stumping hard for Bryce and trying to convince everyone their eyes are lying to them and his arm isn't much of a limiting factor at all.

Make it make sense. I can't.

It is funny to be professing we all know nothing but then tout ones time at a place that literally has him ranked in the bottom quarter of starting QB's. 

It's wild.

[mrBdawg]

11 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

It is funny to be professing we all know nothing but then tout ones time at a place that literally has him ranked in the bottom quarter of starting QB's. 

It's wild.

I think he is calling people out for saying ridiculous things about him like he doesn’t have the arm strength to make nfl throws. Which he does.

There can be nuance to a conversation. You dont have to insist he is the worst at everything. You can view his traits objectively while also realizing his play puts him in the bottom tier of quarterbacks. 

[Navy_football]

2 minutes ago, mrBdawg said:

I think he is calling people out for saying ridiculous things about him like he doesn’t have the arm strength to make nfl throws. Which he does.

There can be nuance to a conversation. You dont have to insist he is the worst at everything. You can view his traits objectively while also realizing his play puts him in the bottom tier of quarterbacks. 

Honestly, I don't think his play puts in the bottom tier. His results do. Right now he's a middle of the road guy. 

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, mrBdawg said:

I think he is calling people out for saying ridiculous things about him like he doesn’t have the arm strength to make nfl throws. Which he does.

There can be nuance to a conversation. You dont have to insist he is the worst at everything. You can view his traits objectively while also realizing his play puts him in the bottom tier of quarterbacks. 

Dude, at the very best he has one of the worst arms in the nfl.  I mean we are 3 years in now and the metrics are there.  Removing the eye ball test and the numbers are still the numbers.  His arm fuging sucks compared to nfl standards.  Couple that with his horrific mechanics and alas here we are.

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, mrBdawg said:

I think he is calling people out for saying ridiculous things about him like he doesn’t have the arm strength to make nfl throws. Which he does.

There can be nuance to a conversation. You dont have to insist he is the worst at everything. You can view his traits objectively while also realizing his play puts him in the bottom tier of quarterbacks. 

His situational awareness just seem to randomly flip off for reasons unknown. That has definitely plagued his career to date. 

I am less worried about this physical abilities than I am his consistent issues with his throwing base and his decision making issues. Both of those seem correctable on the surface but that progress has been very slow. 

He is a guy I thought of as a heady, intelligent QB so to see him struggle with some relatively fundamental things is perplexing. 

[cranky]

10 hours ago, fieryprophet said:

You can characterize it however you want, but at each step you are saying "this is what I saw" and what I am providing is actual data. And at no point have I ever characterized Bryce as some deep throwing savant, merely pointing out that the data does not support the idea that he is incapable of attempting and making those kinds of throws.

In fact, if we want to get into the analytical weeds, I have my own quarterback metric that I have developed over the years that has a higher correlation with wins than either passer rating or ANYA or ESPN's QBR, and it places Bryce as the 25th rated QB in all of football. If I was biased in any way I'd try to massage the formula to make him look better but the reality is that his lows have greatly weighed on his overall average even this season and he absolutely needs to continue to improve to give this team a chance at future championships.

If you want to dive into the data yourself check out https://qba.info

Your data is useless without explanations of where they come from and what each represents. I say this as someone who thinks Bryce is better than his numbers by the way.