Bryce Young has now played one full seasons worth of games since returning from his benching in 2024

[tukafan21]

6 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

Never said he was the guy, just that his arm strength is average to slightly below average which is true. His footwork is horrible. 

Do you know what "average" means?

It means that among the 32 starting QB's, you're saying he is somewhere around the 16th strongest arm.

Do you not realize how bat poo crazy that is?

Please, tell me even 5 starting QB's who have a weaker arm than he does?  And I'm not talking about having perfect balance and able to perfectly step into a throw where you're chucking it as far downfield as possible.

I'm talking about throwing ropes on a line 30 yards downfield.  There is no world where he is remotely close to "average" in comparison to the rest of the starting QB's in this league.  Just because he was able to throw the ball 60 yards in the air in college, when perfectly balanced, doesn't mean he has an "average NFL arm", that's literal crazy talk.

If a non-biased party were to rank the starting QB's solely on arm strength, from 1-32, there is no chance he is anything higher on the list than maybe 27 or 28, and I honestly think he has a better shot at being #32 than even #28, hell, change 28 to 30 and I still think it's an accurate statement.

Edited 3 hours ago by tukafan21

[Jackofalltrades]

17 hours ago, Car123 said:

His total stats in those games:

335/543 (61.7% completion percentage)

3,392 passing yards (199.5 per game)

292 rushing yards and 6 rushing TD

32 total TD

11 INTS

8-9 record (inc 6 game winning drives)

87.0 passer rating

 

Thanks for the numbers, I'm really not sure what to make of them.

[Castavar]

4 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

 From Alabama when using proper footwork. 59 air yards on a dime. 

College highlights..........................Bryce has been in the NFL 3 years and you send me college highlights. Wow, the fact you can't find me one example in the NFL pretty much makes my point for me. 

[frankw]

37 NFL games into the career of a first overall pick and we're still relegated to circulating highlights from Alabama.

[carpanfan96]

2 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Do you know what "average" means?

It means that among the 32 starting QB's, you're saying he is somewhere around the 16th strongest arm.

Do you not realize how bat poo crazy that is?

Please, tell me even 5 starting QB's who have a weaker arm than he does?  And I'm not talking about having perfect balance and able to perfectly step into a throw where you're chucking it as far downfield as possible.

I'm talking about throwing ropes on a line 30 yards downfield.  There is no world where he is remotely close to "average" in comparison to the rest of the starting QB's in this league.  Just because he was able to throw the ball 60 yards in the air in college, when perfectly balanced, doesn't mean he has an "average NFL arm", that's literal crazy talk.

His arm is average, his footwork is shot from being a rookie and it hasn't been consistent since then and it wasn't great when he was drafted but it's gotten worse and more inconsistent since being drafted. 

Alabama with him behind center ran a deep shot play action system that routinely asked him to complete 50 yard throws and go down field. 

When he doesn't bounce around in the pocket and uses proper footwork and lower body mechanics he can throw down field. 

Even now if you checked his scouting sheet, it would say the same thing about his arm that his draft profile showed. 

 

Scouting report for the draft. 

 

Played in a pro-style attack that required full-field reads.

Has a tendency to run receivers up against the boundary.

Leaves his lower half behind on drive throws at times.

Needs to prove he can find reads quickly and stay on schedule.

Deep throws come out flat and lose energy late.

 

It would show the same things now as it did then, he's just more inconsistent with his lower half on throws. 

[carpanfan96]

12 minutes ago, Castavar said:

College highlights..........................Bryce has been in the NFL 3 years and you send me college highlights. Wow, the fact you can't find me one example in the NFL pretty much makes my point for me. 

There's 15 minutes of highlights from the end of last season just hanging out there. You're a Panthers fan... I assumed you watched and had seen those already. 

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/s/k6uUqTCf1m

[carpanfan96]

Mind you that I said not to draft Bryce and I had him rated third at QB in said draft. I've also routinely been for benching him and moving on for the last two years as well. 

[tukafan21]

1 minute ago, carpanfan96 said:

His arm is average, his footwork is shot from being a rookie and it hasn't been consistent since then and it wasn't great when he was drafted but it's gotten worse and more inconsistent since being drafted. 

Alabama with him behind center ran a deep shot play action system that routinely asked him to complete 50 yard throws and go down field. 

When he doesn't bounce around in the pocket and uses proper footwork and lower body mechanics he can throw down field. 

Even now if you checked his scouting sheet, it would say the same thing about his arm that his draft profile showed. 

 

Scouting report for the draft. 

 

Played in a pro-style attack that required full-field reads.

Has a tendency to run receivers up against the boundary.

Leaves his lower half behind on drive throws at times.

Needs to prove he can find reads quickly and stay on schedule.

Deep throws come out flat and lose energy late.

 

It would show the same things now as it did then, he's just more inconsistent with his lower half on throws. 

JFC

To begin with, how far someone can throw the ball in college doesn’t equate to NFL arm strength.

Beyond that, what you are REALLY trying to argue here is that he has an adequate arm strength to get by in the NFL.

Which is an entirely different argument than “average arm strength”

I still strongly disagree about him having adequate arm strength to succeed, he’s proven he can’t drive the ball anything further than 20 yards (AGAIN… do NOT respond to that by talking about how far he can throw it when perfectly balanced, they are two completely and separate things).

The fact remains that you can’t name 10+ current NFL starters that he has a stronger arm than, which is what you’d need to do to say he has an “average or slightly below average arm strength” like you claim.

There are a lot of actual debatable things in regards to Bryce, but his pure arm strength and where it ranks to the rest of starting QB’s just flat out isn’t one of them, at all, period.

[carpanfan96]

21 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Do you know what "average" means?

It means that among the 32 starting QB's, you're saying he is somewhere around the 16th strongest arm.

Do you not realize how bat poo crazy that is?

Please, tell me even 5 starting QB's who have a weaker arm than he does?  And I'm not talking about having perfect balance and able to perfectly step into a throw where you're chucking it as far downfield as possible.

I'm talking about throwing ropes on a line 30 yards downfield.  There is no world where he is remotely close to "average" in comparison to the rest of the starting QB's in this league.  Just because he was able to throw the ball 60 yards in the air in college, when perfectly balanced, doesn't mean he has an "average NFL arm", that's literal crazy talk.

If a non-biased party were to rank the starting QB's solely on arm strength, from 1-32, there is no chance he is anything higher on the list than maybe 27 or 28, and I honestly think he has a better shot at being #32 than even #28, hell, change 28 to 30 and I still think it's an accurate statement.

No that's not what average means, you're thinking of just starting QB's. There's around 80 QB's in the NFL. Average means exactly what it would mean anywhere else in the world. 

[Castavar]

9 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

There's 15 minutes of highlights from the end of last season just hanging out there. You're a Panthers fan... I assumed you watched and had seen those already. 

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/s/k6uUqTCf1m

The longest completed pass in those highlights was only 35 yards

[carpanfan96]

3 minutes ago, Castavar said:

The longest completed pass in those highlights was only 35 yards

Every throw was also under pressure and was over 20 yards. 

[kungfoodude]

17 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

 Needs to prove he can find reads quickly and stay on schedule.

 

Spoiler alert....that didn’t get better.

[carpanfan96]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Spoiler alert....that didn’t get better.

Nope, worst part of his game is quick reads and throws. 

 

"Carolina is no longer forcing him into a box as a quick-game distributor, which could be the weakest part of Young’s game and the one most affected by his height; instead, Canales is setting him up for more downfield throws aimed outside the numbers. Young has the touch, timing, and accuracy to pull those throws off."

 

[Castavar]

6 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

Every throw was also under pressure and was over 20 yards. 

So let me get this straight. You claim that if Bryce can set his feet, he can "throw the ball 55-60 yards air yards and do it accurately" per you. You then send my college highlights (even though Bryce has been in the NFL going on 3 years), and then send me his "highlights" last year where his longest completed pass was only 35 yards? You can't be serious right now.

Edited 2 hours ago by Castavar