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I'm All In On Drafting a QB in Round 1

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LinvilleGorge Grand Master

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2 minutes ago, CRA said:

2023 was billed as literally the best landing spot for any rookie QB....

Bryce Young just isn't a NFL QB.  He can't run an O that isn't super Bryce centric.  That's what we have found out.  And you see that every single season he has played.  He doesn't elevate, he lowers. 

Frank Reich was an offensive Fox/Rivera.   He was the idiot Bryce made everyone look to be.   Tepper forced a dude that isn't a NFL QB on the field week 1 that everyone that was coaching knew he couldn't do. 

I'll never be convinced that Reich wanted anything to do with Bryce. As soon as we zeroed in on Bryce and it was obvious he was going to be the pick it just seemed like the wind went out of his sails and he was just like "fug it, I'm just gonna go through the motions until they send me packing". I still just want to know whether he was led to believe he'd have more sway in the QB decision or if he just felt that he'd be more persuasive in his arguments and be able to get his way.

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22 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You're putting all your eggs in one basket with a move like that. Not just at the QB position, but the roster as a whole due to what you're having to give up. If you miss you're fuged. That's not our only issue but a lot of our issues are downhill of that massive mistake.

Well, yeah. Next year will be the first since it was done that we will get to use our draft picks. 3 years of prime talent traded for dude that was the beneficiary of a mass formation operation by the media. 

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4 minutes ago, CRA said:

2023 was billed as literally the best landing spot for any rookie QB....

Bryce Young just isn't a NFL QB.  He can't run an O that isn't super Bryce centric.  That's what we have found out.  And you see that every single season he has played.  He doesn't elevate, he lowers. 

Frank Reich was an offensive Fox/Rivera.   He was the idiot Bryce made everyone look to be.   Tepper forced a dude that isn't a NFL QB on the field week 1 that everyone that was coaching knew he couldn't do. 

To be fair, there were a few coaches that liked Bryce. We just rolled the dice and crapped out. My thing is, we made an ill-advised trade to move up to get him, and we've been doubling down ever since.

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6 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

I'm not trying to argue with you, but "billed" vs reality are two competely different things. And it definitely played out to not be a good landing spot for a rookie. 

a washed (but not as washed as today) Andy Dalton stepped on the field and flipped the offense on it's head in 2023.   The one peak we saw w/o Bryce yielded vastly different results.   

Bryce Young hasn't fit either of the last 2 offenses.  Now, that's not his fault.  But it's a reality people got to quit ignoring.  All he will ever fit is a Young centric O and no coach wants to build that. 

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4 minutes ago, CRA said:

2023 was billed as literally the best landing spot for any rookie QB....

Bryce Young just isn't a NFL QB.  He can't run an O that isn't super Bryce centric.  That's what we have found out.  And you see that every single season he has played.  He doesn't elevate, he lowers. 

Frank Reich was an offensive Fox/Rivera.   He was the idiot Bryce made everyone look to be.   Tepper forced a dude that isn't a NFL QB on the field week 1 that everyone that was coaching knew he couldn't do. 

To be fair, there were a few coaches that liked Bryce. We just rolled the dice and crapped out. My thing is, we made an ill-advised trade to move up to get him, and we've been doubling down ever since.

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4 minutes ago, CRA said:

2023 was billed as literally the best landing spot for any rookie QB....

Bryce Young just isn't a NFL QB.  He can't run an O that isn't super Bryce centric.  That's what we have found out.  And you see that every single season he has played.  He doesn't elevate, he lowers. 

Frank Reich was an offensive Fox/Rivera.   He was the idiot Bryce made everyone look to be.   Tepper forced a dude that isn't a NFL QB on the field week 1 that everyone that was coaching knew he couldn't do. 

To be fair, there were a few coaches that liked Bryce. We just rolled the dice and crapped out. My thing is, we made an ill-advised trade to move up to get him, and we've been doubling down ever since.

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1 minute ago, Navy_football said:

I'm thinking more of a Mike Evans where he beats you at the top of the route or when the ball gets there. D Hop is a hell of a route runner that'll toast you off the LOS. If TMac becomes that...

TMac isn't out running guys in the nfl like he did in college. He's going to have to fight for yards in the nfl.

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1 minute ago, Navy_football said:

I'm thinking more of a Mike Evans where he beats you at the top of the route or when the ball gets there. D Hop is a hell of a route runner that'll toast you off the LOS. If TMac becomes that...

Everybody says Evans but I think they're too caught up in height. Mike Evans is an absolute beast. He's basically prime David Boston except he didn't derail his career with weight issues. He absolutely physically overwhelms people. That's not T-Mac. T-Mac's size is an asset but it's honestly secondary to his route running, sneaky speed, and natural body control.

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1 minute ago, TD alt said:

To be fair, there were a few coaches that liked Bryce. We just rolled the dice and crapped out. My thing is, we made an ill-advised trade to move up to get him, and we've been doubling down ever since.

Yeah, if you're gonna make a move like that it needs to be for a guy who checks every box down the line. And honestly, the last guy who did that is still looking very mid himself down in Jacksonville. There's no such thing as a sure thing in the NFL draft.

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9 minutes ago, TD alt said:

To be fair, there were a few coaches that liked Bryce. We just rolled the dice and crapped out. My thing is, we made an ill-advised trade to move up to get him, and we've been doubling down ever since.

a few coaches have liked all sorts of players that were horrible.  NFL is not full of geniuses.  It's a good ole boy network of football guys. 

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4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Everybody says Evans but I think they're too caught up in height. Mike Evans is an absolute beast. He's basically prime David Boston except he didn't derail his career with weight issues. He absolutely physically overwhelms people. That's not T-Mac. T-Mac's size is an asset but it's honestly secondary to his route running, sneaky speed, and natural body control.

Mike Evans made Johnny Football a first round draft pick. 

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