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This Bryce Guy (General BY Discussion)

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1 hour ago, electro's horse said:

Thats more an out or a zero route (they called it a smoke route when Clausen was throwing them to smith) and that isnt something he should be throwing either. That only works if the db is playing off and the qb has the arm to get it in there  

they only do that with Bryce when they have trips right and a number advantage. If he just turned and threw you’d have a repeat of peppers housing Pickles when he was with Chicago. 

I think a smoke is a screen play. Everyone but the primary receiver is usually blocking. I'm talking line your receiver out wide and run a quick slant. Not a dig or an out. That guy shouldn't get to the middle of the field before getting the ball. If so, it's too late and you're likely gonna get him killed. Especially if the defense is in zone. 

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Canales has definitely made some baffling decisions with the backfield but as far as abandoning the run game I cannot take anyone seriously throwing out that criticism while ignoring the albatross that is Bryce Young. We have been struggling to run the ball largely because defenses have the tape on us from earlier in the season and until Bryce Young can move the ball through the air more than 5 yards at a time and stop constantly bailing on pockets they will continue to play us the same way. Throwing at or behind the line of scrimmage late in games is not going to help establish the run game. It only makes defenses jobs easier.

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Show me how defenses are playing the Panthers to stop the run and force the QB to beat them. They don't usually have more than 7 or 8 players within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage, and 7 in the box. That's actually pretty common. They play Nickel and Dime on passing downs and a lot of zone. Daring a QB to beat you is running mostly man with run fit blitzes that stifle the run or pressure the QB if he's passing. That's usually when Bryce will take a shot deep, particularly on 3rd or 4th down. 

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26 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Show me how defenses are playing the Panthers to stop the run and force the QB to beat them.

The huddle has been over the good and bad of Canales. He's done his own harm in this area as I just mentioned. But aside from his ridiculous insistence on splitting carries in the midst of Dowdle running the ball at a historic pace there hasn't been anything overly egregious as of late. Our OL has been banged up yes but they've still been effective all things considered. These opposing defenses all saw the same game we did where Bryce Young threw the ball 24 times for a total of 54 yards. Things like that don't just happen if defenses aren't playing the Panthers to stop the run and forcing Bryce to beat them with his arm.

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31 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Show me how defenses are playing the Panthers to stop the run and force the QB to beat them. They don't usually have more than 7 or 8 players within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage, and 7 in the box. That's actually pretty common. They play Nickel and Dime on passing downs and a lot of zone. Daring a QB to beat you is running mostly man with run fit blitzes that stifle the run or pressure the QB if he's passing. That's usually when Bryce will take a shot deep, particularly on 3rd or 4th down. 

Of course defenses are playing nickel and dime. The panthers run the ball out of 31 sets all the time. You still have to have personnel match. Like here you, y is manned up, I think seam receiver is too, and the whole defense is like “lmao Bryce”

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Bryce Young stans keep PFF in busnsiess.  Because every Bryce Young defense the past 2 seasons is them telling folks to disregard actual stats and production……and to look at PFF’s bologna 

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1 minute ago, CRA said:

Bryce Young stans keep PFF in busnsiess.  Because every Bryce Young defense the past 2 seasons is them telling folks to disregard actual stats and production……and to look at PFF’s bologna 

If pff graded him awful, you’d be the main one using those numbers.

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10 hours ago, Car123 said:

If pff graded him awful, you’d be the main one using those numbers.

I don’t use or need PFF to back any position I make or take.  Bryce’s actual production says he is often awful.   Or below average.  I just use those numbers.  Like I have been doing.  

So yeah, your hypothetical isn’t a hypothetical.  It’s not a thing.  You need PFF’s creative subjectivity, not me.  

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21 hours ago, electro's horse said:

Of course defenses are playing nickel and dime. The panthers run the ball out of 31 sets all the time. You still have to have personnel match. Like here you, y is manned up, I think seam receiver is too, and the whole defense is like “lmao Bryce”

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I mean I don't know the down and distance, but this can't be the answer for "show me how defenses play the run and force Bryce Young to beat you". There are only 4 d linemen and maybe 1 LB on the field. They are obviously playing the pass. And yes, Bryce missed multiple opportunities in that game with too many dink and dunks and locking onto WRs from the snap. He isn't normally THAT bad though. This was probably the worse I've ever seen him. 

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